Oil Consumption??? What do you think?
I am puzzled to why members on this board think it is O.K. for the S2000 to consume as much as one quart of oil every 1000 miles. Arguments such as;
Originally posted by Strike
I wouldn't go telling people that it isn't their problem, that it's Hondas, because if they kill their engine for lack of oil it won't be covered under warranty.
I wouldn't go telling people that it isn't their problem, that it's Hondas, because if they kill their engine for lack of oil it won't be covered under warranty.
i read the diatribe (twice) and i just don't get the point!!!
some s2000 engines use, oil but your's doesn't. be glad. it's a well known situation. takes all of 45 seconds to check each time time you fill-up the fuel tank. if it's low you add $1.00 worth of oil. time=minimal, effort=minimal, 9K rpms=priceless.
if you've got issues with honda, spell them out. oil consumption clearly isn't one of them.
some s2000 engines use, oil but your's doesn't. be glad. it's a well known situation. takes all of 45 seconds to check each time time you fill-up the fuel tank. if it's low you add $1.00 worth of oil. time=minimal, effort=minimal, 9K rpms=priceless.
if you've got issues with honda, spell them out. oil consumption clearly isn't one of them.
1st, let me say that I am not offended by your post. It is perfectly reasonable.
Oil consumption of any kind has always been a disagreeable issue with new car owners. It JUST should NOT be this way BUT having said that ....................
OK, I too, am quite disenchanted with Honda but not for the reasons stated by the author of this thread (and that's a whole other story).
Whether this engine needs to or not (and I believe it needs to), using oil is a fact of its life (with only a few exceptions). To ring out this much power from such a little engine and have it propel the car that it does, it needs to be very high strung. Being so necessitated certain design specs (eg. special cylinder liners, rings, valve train, etc.) that is more condusive to using oil.
True, this is a production vehicle marketed for anyone who wishes and can afford to buy it. Written or not, there is a caveat for owning this car and that is to live with certain peculiarities - BUYER BEWARE if you will. NOT good for Honda but it exists non-the-less.
In my experience, almost all "built" motors, if not right away, will eventually begin to use oil. "Ultra high output" motors eventually need to be rebuilt for various reasons and one of them includes excessive use of oil. The S engine can be considered a lesser "built" motor only it was this way from the factory. I consider it a small miracle that in most cases the oil useage does taper off.
This is not your average Accord, which puts out the same HP but look what they had to do to get it. It took a V-6, larger displacement, less "high strung".
In my mind, having to monitor and add oil regularly is a small price to pay for this kind of performance and technology. If it continues to run "full zoot", I'll be happy to keep adding oil to it. BUT, if it ever decreases its performance output and I still have to dump oil into it, then that will become a different matter.
For the time being, very few, if any, other production automobiles has such a NA high output motor as this car does AND can stay out of the shop on a regular basis.
Just as top athletes need vitamin and food suppliments, this engine simply needs oil. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
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Oil consumption of any kind has always been a disagreeable issue with new car owners. It JUST should NOT be this way BUT having said that ....................
OK, I too, am quite disenchanted with Honda but not for the reasons stated by the author of this thread (and that's a whole other story).
Whether this engine needs to or not (and I believe it needs to), using oil is a fact of its life (with only a few exceptions). To ring out this much power from such a little engine and have it propel the car that it does, it needs to be very high strung. Being so necessitated certain design specs (eg. special cylinder liners, rings, valve train, etc.) that is more condusive to using oil.
True, this is a production vehicle marketed for anyone who wishes and can afford to buy it. Written or not, there is a caveat for owning this car and that is to live with certain peculiarities - BUYER BEWARE if you will. NOT good for Honda but it exists non-the-less.
In my experience, almost all "built" motors, if not right away, will eventually begin to use oil. "Ultra high output" motors eventually need to be rebuilt for various reasons and one of them includes excessive use of oil. The S engine can be considered a lesser "built" motor only it was this way from the factory. I consider it a small miracle that in most cases the oil useage does taper off.
This is not your average Accord, which puts out the same HP but look what they had to do to get it. It took a V-6, larger displacement, less "high strung".
In my mind, having to monitor and add oil regularly is a small price to pay for this kind of performance and technology. If it continues to run "full zoot", I'll be happy to keep adding oil to it. BUT, if it ever decreases its performance output and I still have to dump oil into it, then that will become a different matter.
For the time being, very few, if any, other production automobiles has such a NA high output motor as this car does AND can stay out of the shop on a regular basis.
Just as top athletes need vitamin and food suppliments, this engine simply needs oil. (That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
)
I'm sorry, and no offense, but I agree w/ Ace above. What's your point?! If it's such a big deal that it may or may not be necessary to check your oil every so often then maybe you are in the wrong car. If you want an appliance you don't have to think about then there are Accords/Camrys/Maximas.....etc.
I would think it would be something to smile about to have to check out that purdy red valve cover about once a week just to say hi!
The issue of "hating honda" turns into yet another long diatribe that I won't go into, but....why?!
Just my $.02
Travis
I would think it would be something to smile about to have to check out that purdy red valve cover about once a week just to say hi!
The issue of "hating honda" turns into yet another long diatribe that I won't go into, but....why?!
Just my $.02
Travis
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The reason I wrote it is because there was a post a while back where a kid a a blown motor due to lack of oil. The person that responded to the blown motor post was ripping him up and down because he didn't check the oil level. My thought is that of, technology is to a point today where it is not neccicary to check you oil level as much as you did 20 years ago, espcially not every time you refuel.
There was a time a few months ago when it seemed like everyone was blowing thier motor due to lackof oil and it botherd me to hear that honda would not do anything to help these people. I want to know why you (X-VIPER) have become disenchanted with Honda.

The reason I wrote it is because there was a post a while back where a kid a a blown motor due to lack of oil. The person that responded to the blown motor post was ripping him up and down because he didn't check the oil level. My thought is that of, technology is to a point today where it is not neccicary to check you oil level as much as you did 20 years ago, espcially not every time you refuel.
There was a time a few months ago when it seemed like everyone was blowing thier motor due to lackof oil and it botherd me to hear that honda would not do anything to help these people. I want to know why you (X-VIPER) have become disenchanted with Honda.
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Checking the oil is not a problem for me, i actually enjoy doing it(maybe because i love cars so much). btw the f20c is not a "flawed" motor with bag oil rings or whatever. i have an h22a type -s motor (DOHC VTEC, 220 ps) in my 94 accord and it also burns oil. this is no single cam civic, DOHC VTEC motors are just like this. everytime you VTEC the motor, it uses extra oil to engage the vtec profile. checking the oil is my responsibility, especially if you like to wind it up to 8900 rpm. i knew about the engine and how it burns oil before i bought the s2k, and it did not affect my purchase. its just somthing you got to live with it.





