Drive safely y'all!

 

I agree with Luder on a couple points... it doesn't look like there was a passenger in the first car. That would have been mui messy. But there are no indications one way or the other on the driver. This crash does not appear survivable for driver or passenger due to the severity of the impact. My guess is a t-bone while crossing a fast country two-lane. Anywhere know where the wreck occurred? Or what wrecker has it? They might know the outcome of the accident. My guess is 1 occupant, 1 fatality.

The one that CG posted... chilling. That is horriffic damage, and it's just chilling to think that there was a passenger in that car. Even though there were double fatalities, one would hope the passenger was ejected... Much worse fate to be pulverized by the tree that impacted just at the passenger footwell. I'm guessing he was ejected due to the lack of blood on the passenger side.

Both accidents are a brutal reminder of our mortality... we all take risks on the road, some more than others. I'd hate to have anything end in this type of tradgedy. May they rest in peace.

 

Jeez that's ugly. OK I'm sober now. Let's all be careful please. At fault or not speed kills and drives up our insurance rates.

 

Jason,

you race and because of it you may know the answer. What is the effectiveness of a 4-point roll bar in these type of situations. If two points were mounted behind the seat and one point mounted in respective foot-wells. Can a roll bar add to the stiffness of the car's structure to survive a crash like this?

By the way, were you the one driving the Yellow S2K down 53 South sometime last week in the morning. . .down to Schaumburg, I suspect?

If you were, do you work in Schaumburg? If so, ar you free for lunch on Friday? I'm off on Fridays now and will be getting more active in the S2K scene and would like to start getting to know as many people as possible.

 

As a racer, I am well aware of the gruesome reality of impacts like this. A 4-pt. cage would have done nothing in the first impact. Only a full 6 or 8 pt. cage with NASCAR style door bars on both driver and passenger sides would have made that first accident remotely survivable. I should qualify that. The elaborate cage I described could have helped only the passenger... the driver acually had a slim chance for survival in any case. It all depends on if he/she was buckled. The severity of the impact would have caused significant trauma even if they were buckled. Due to the large intrusion into the passenger compartment, I am sure the transmission tunnel was moved significantly. Imagine the space between the tunnel and the driver's door of the car... that gap would have shrunk considerably. There is a good possiblity that the reason the driver's door popped open is this mashing of the trans tunnel toward the driver's side. The frame is very tweaked. I would estimate the other vehicle impacted at 75mph+ and that it was a large vehicle.

As for the second impact, again... the 4-pt cage would only have helped the driver. If you'll notice, the a-pillar is severely crushed. It is feasible that a cage could have prevented that. But also, the cage would have done nothing for the passenger. Also, if the passenger had been buckled and not ejected, they simply would have been decimated by the tree that obviously impacted there. Notice where the passenger seat-bottom is, and then imagine someone sitting there... not a pretty thought. Also, the impact here is so severe, that not even the driver might have survived if there was a cage. If there was a 6 or 8-pointer and the driver was strapped in by 5-pt. belts, there is an off chance. But both accidents have a 0% survival probability in my opinion, maybe 15% for the first one's driver. Add a 4-pt cage, and the figure is maybe 10% for the second car's driver. Add a 6 pt 8-pt with NASCAR style bars and you maybe jump to 50% for the first one's driver, and 60% for the second. However, in both cases the passenger would still be close to nill chance of survival.

The moral... even on a track with full safety equipment in a controlled environment these accidents would barely be survivable. On the street, it's pure suicide to travel at triple digit speeds. This is also why I won't do a track day with the S2000... it's just too dangerous. PLEASE BE CAREFUL OUT THERE! I don't want to log into this board and read about one of the memebers being involved in this type of incident.

And Luder... that was my car, but it was Brad (soloiiracer) one of my teammates. He lives in the city and was going to get something done in Schaumburg. I live in Northbrook, and work all over the place. (consultant) He was picking up my car in Northbrook, and then taking Dundee to 53 to Schaumburg. You should get together with us in the evening sometime... how about for the auto-show meet on Feb 10th?

 

Pity about the occupants... there's no way *anyone* could survive that.

Drive safe everyone.

p.s. I hope someone salvages the engine/tranny.

 

Those two accidents make mine seem like a fender bender. I slammed up against a wall and was actually airborne for a couple of seconds but landed flat and hit the wall squarely (more or less). In total, there's about 6k US dollars done to my car but nothing serious. i walked out unharmed and so did my passenger. All i had was a bump on my head from where i hit the side window. I believe i was doing about 40mphs at the point of collision...these accidents here are some serious Sh*t. crazy speeds and probably poor weather...perhaps he was hit by a drunk driver who ran a light or something i have no clue.

 

Maybe if the engine can be salvaged, they can go to those in need due to the "porous block" syndrome.

It's kinda got me feeling eerie talking about salvaging something out of a car that's been in an accident of this magnitude.

 

Boy, thoes pics are very scary, specially the last two. I just hope none of us gets into an accident with any SUVs. I just felt a chill.

 

I posted earlier today if anyone knew where I could find out about salvaging the motor (and windscreen if possible), but Jason thought it was distasteful so I deleted my post. But honestly, if anyone knows the number of the salvage yard, I'd like to give them a call. I feel very sorry for the occupants, but that doesn't mean I should let the motor go to waste.