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Old Jan 20, 2011 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by berlinablackie,Jan 20 2011, 12:07 PM
Just got back from a drive at lunch...

Rev match on downshifts no problem...makes sense. Will do.

Bliping the throttle on upshifts was weird... seems like over revving. As the clutch engaged, it just felt counterproductive. I drove my normal method back and as it turns out, i'm in the gas before the clutch engages anyways...so perhaps I just naturally rev match on upshifts, and when I thought about it, I over revved.

Did not like double clutch method. Not saying it is wrong, just not for me.
I tried it at lunch, too. An intentional throttle blip on upshift always produced a lurch forward. I'm just gonna have to practice. Hate rough upshifts, but don't want to feather the clutch either.

Happy note: had a rare s2k sighting while out playing.
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Old Jan 20, 2011 | 09:16 AM
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DOUBLECLUTCHING ON AN UPSHIFT IS COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY POINTLESS

...come on people....


ricers got confused from watching F&F

"Granny shiftin', not double-clutching like you're suppose to" -Dom

Moral of this story, don't be a moronic ricer.

If you have glue-on brake caliper covers that say 'Brembo,' double-clutch on your upshifts...otherwise don't be a retard.
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Old Jan 20, 2011 | 09:17 AM
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I dont get what you guys are talking about, when you upshift, the revs need to come down to meet the engine speed for the next gear. You shouldnt be touching the gas to rev match on an upshift.
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Old Jan 20, 2011 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by -Jordan-,Jan 20 2011, 01:17 PM
I dont get what you guys are talking about, when you upshift, the revs need to come down to meet the engine speed for the next gear. You shouldnt be touching the gas to rev match on an upshift.
exactly

with that all said, any car with synchros doesn't need to be double-clutched, the synchros essentially do this for you:

Manual transmissions in modern passenger cars use synchronizers to eliminate the need for double-clutching.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/transmission3.htm

Final verdict: Double-clutching does nothing for a car with synchronizers. Just rev match on your downshifts and you will be fine.
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Old Jan 20, 2011 | 09:42 AM
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Just to clarify for everyone that on upshifts you only need to manipulate the throttle if you take too long to shift and the engine rpm falls below the appropriate speed for the next gear. It should be mentioned that you can also upshift too quickly which will also cause additional wear on the clutch since it has to slow the engine down to the appropriate speed.
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Old Jan 20, 2011 | 10:00 AM
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1. rev-matching the upshift means you let the revs drop to the range of the next gear, of course you dont blip the throttle. well, you could but you'll have to wait longer for the revs to drop. am i the only one who thinks that alot of you guys are not reading any of this with some common sense?

2. double clutching is no longer necessary, on the upshift or the downshift. double clutching was designed for older cars with no synchros. if you learned to double clutch on an older car with synchros, then thats just second nature for you. double clutching isn't bad its just no longer necessary.
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Old Jan 20, 2011 | 10:01 AM
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if you take too long to upshift to the point you should be manipulating the throttle; sell the S and buy a car w/ an auto trans.
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Old Jan 20, 2011 | 10:40 AM
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There is some serious misinformation going on in this thread.
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Old Jan 20, 2011 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by RedCelica,Jan 20 2011, 11:01 AM
if you take too long to upshift to the point you should be manipulating the throttle; sell the S and buy a car w/ an auto trans.
Agreed. The first week or three I was taking too long upshifting and the revs would drop near idle and it was jerky. But once your shifting quickly the rev's match perfectly every shift.

I have a questions for the more informed then. When I approach a turn I'll disengage the clutch, brake hard and start going for the gear which I know I need to be in for the turn. Some times when going from 3rd or 4th gear into first the shifter fights me on putting it into first. I've actually had to ride the clutch through more then one turn. Any ideas? (22k miles btw)

And this has never happened on any other manuals I've driven, granted they were all slushboxes from ford.
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Old Jan 20, 2011 | 11:49 AM
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lol @ ppl trying to blip the throttle on upshifts

but yea it's letting the rev drop to the perfect spot before engaging the clutch in the next gear.
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