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Old Sep 12, 2008 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by lychyrychy,Sep 12 2008, 03:43 PM
Somebody learns how to read sarcasm?
I think there's a place for sarcasm.

But not when someone who is new to driving a manual and you're telling him/her to shift beyond redline. I honestly don't think it's right.
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Old Sep 12, 2008 | 05:35 PM
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There is downshifting to engine break and slow down, and there is downshifting to speed up. Heel toe is for slowing down prior to the turn in or slightly there after because it involves the breaks but it's application is so that you can speed up by being in a lower gear as you exit the turn.

Rev'matching is all about timing. Without the correct timing, you will rev, revs will drop, you will shift and it will be as if you never rev'd at all.

The sequence for rev-matching should be:

With your hand on the shifter ready to downshift, Clutch in.....rev/shift/clutch out....

The key is to let the clutch out before the rev's drop below the optimum RPM for the lower gear and to get on the gas to keep the transition smooth.

You should not have to look at the Tach to do this once you've practiced.

You can practice this on any road that there are safe conditions because you are going to simply downshift but keep the same speed. You should be able to do this from 6th to 5th to 4th on the freeway and have a smooth transition. You will be in VTEC but your speed will remain the same.

Once you get the downshifting smooth, then just add in the gas after the downshift for more spirited or aggressive driving.

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Old Sep 12, 2008 | 07:34 PM
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it will take some time getting used to but it will be come like second nature. most people already have given you the basics on doing it. honestly i tried heel toe which is a technique of rev matching with downshifting and its a totally different than a basic rev match.
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Old Sep 12, 2008 | 07:41 PM
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Rev-Matching is a learning process. I was 16 when I first started to learn it, I am now 25, and i've been doing it since everytime I drive a high performance car. I even do it on my bike (much more complicated).

Just practice and you'll get get
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Old Sep 12, 2008 | 07:45 PM
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Here's my learning experience, in attempts to drive the S smoothly without eating the clutch:

1. Shifting down:

I practiced double clutching. It may not be necessary on the S, but I picked it up fairly quickly, and works well. At first I was slow, and you need to act fast to do it smoothly. Here's how I do it:
- hit the clutch pedal as you release throttle
- shift to neutral, release clutch
- hit and release the throttle to bring the revs up
- hit the clutch pedal, shift and release clutch.
Currently my downshifts are smoother than my upshifts.

2. Shifting up:

While you're accelerating, as you shift-up, you cut the power for an instance, and the weight distribution of the car changes. Not smooth. What I do is I shift the weight of the car by decreasing the throttle input, and start driving at a constant speed, I shift-up, car stays at the same speed for an instant, and then I start accelerating again. Smoother than a nice automatic transmission.

3. Heel and toe:

You really need this to downshift as you slow down. This is more difficult to learn. It depends on what shoe you wear. I noticed that I was causing more wear as I was learning, so I gave up.

Hope this helps... And thanks to the guy who mentioned (2.) previously in these forums...
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Old Sep 12, 2008 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by hicabi,Sep 12 2008, 07:45 PM
I practiced double clutching.
I knew this thread could not last before someone mentioned this. Don't confuse the OP.

One way is reving while the clutch is in and the other when the clutch is out. Double clutching is not required.
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Old Sep 12, 2008 | 09:20 PM
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Well, there is really nothing I can add on to what anyone else has said (as far as the actual good advice goes).
I believe rev matching can be learned simply, but I don't suggest trying it too often if you don't already have the hang of it. When you're a beginner and feel like you can downshift like a professional, you're bound to do something stupid. Believe me, I've been there.
Just take the learning process slowly, and once you've got it, don't get cocky and try downshifting at moments when it could cause harm to you or anyone else.
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Old Sep 12, 2008 | 09:45 PM
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it just takes lots of practice, i do it all the time now without even thinking about it and even do it in other cars that arent mine cause it just makes downshifting and engine braking so much smoother and also in case u need to pass someone and such. it feels weird not doing it.
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Old Sep 12, 2008 | 10:56 PM
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I'm surprised some didn't get the sarcasm lol.
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Old Sep 12, 2008 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisjgiuliano,Sep 12 2008, 05:28 PM
In Soviet Russia car revv-matches you


Family guy FTW
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