LEGAL BILL , i can assure you we are 3 different people. i had a post on this site before , but it was negative and it "vanished"

you are used to having cars broken down I would think? owning a jag and a healey

 

Legal Bill, I have to agree. Its also interesting that none of the 3 registered as owners. One of the first rules of the internet and forums is trust nothing posted or said. There have been many threads like this on here in the past. I have asked for info on several and answers are never received. In the case of SU701 he claims to have owned every sports car ever made. That is quite a statement from someone who can't construct a sentence or even use proper spelling and capitalization.

 

I am sorry if I flamed well intentioned members or guests who simply aren't describing the problem accurately. I suppose I should have given you the benefit of the doubt, but that disappeared when three of you had "bent pistons."

I can't recall the number of cars I have owned. I have rebuilt many motors myself, and helped on many others. Some have been race, some street. I have torn down dozens of blown motors and I haven't seen "bent" pistons, absent the rod ripping apart from the piston and knocking the heck out of it and then, maybe you could find some section of a completely destroyed piston that you could say was bent, but the engine would be totaled and you would not call what was left of the piston "bent" just destroyed.

As for your other post, how could that be if you had just become a member or guest today? Your member age was 0 days. Did you join again under a new name? I suppose that is possible.

The new member from California already PM'd me to explain that he did not have "bent pistons" but bent valves. Please describe exactly what your problem is too.

In that regard, why doesn't the original poster answer his questions?

If the real problem is bent valves:

It is entirely possible for some defect in materials or workmanship in the cam drive system to cause valves to hit pistons. I have seen it on many other types of engines and there is no reason why it is not possible on an S2000. But overreving is the typical cause in most engines, followed closely by a broken timming chain (or belt as the case may be). The S has chain driven gears that in turn drive the cams. I have not had one apart, but anything in the system could loosen and cause engine timming problems if not tightened properly. Also, Defective parts can simply fail. I have no idea what might happen if the Vtec system malfunctioned. For example, I imagine it is possible for a rocker to get "jammed" in the open position, but here I would defer to mechanics with real experience on Vtec systems. There seem to be several on this board

I would invite all three people with this problem to talk to their technicians and then accurately describe the problem here for further discussion. If you think there is a problem with what the dealers are telling you, have your own qualified mechanic look at everything and be sure you get all the "good" pieces as well as the broken pieces.

Regards.

Bill

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by GeorgeP
[B]Legal Bill, I have to agree. Its also interesting that none of the 3 registered as owners. One of the first rules of the internet and forums is trust nothing posted or said. There have been many threads like this on here in the past. I have asked for info on several and answers are never received.

 

Thanks for the clarification Bill and BTW, I'm a she not he.

 

Oops, my political incorrectness is showing. Is your name Eleki?

 

It's the Hawaiian translation of Elsie.

 

Still no explanation of "bent pistons?"

 

Bill, George, there is another possibility. While I agree it is possible for an engine to "just quit" due to some of the mechanical failures you mentioned, it is unlikely we would suddenly have three all at the same time (maybe a production run problem?).

If it is indeed another case of "engine speed overrun" (hondaspeak for missing a downshift), the owners may be aware that Honda watches these boards and they are trying to paint a positive picture to back up their claim to the DSM that "I was just sitting there at a light and it stopped running" If this is the case (only you, Miami, Eleki and su701 know for sure), I suggest an honest approach when dealing with Honda. I have seen more "goodwill" repairs when the customers demonstrate their own 'goodwill' by admitting they made a horrible mistake.

 

A mistaken downshift is going to happen to everyone sooner or later, some unlucky people will have it damage their engine.

Cars are driven by humans. Humans make mistakes, no cars are driven by perfect people.

So here we are in the 21st century. Cars have been around for 100 years or so, we've learned a lot over the years. Engineers and Lawyers.

Like cars shouldn't unintentionally be bumped into reverse from park. This problem got fixed REAL QUICK. It takes a CONSCIOUS DECISION to move the car from park to reverse, along with the PROPER INTERLOCKS closed in the loop. It doesn't take a conscious decision to select 2nd instead of 4th, and there are no interlocks to prevent this from happening. By the choice of the manufacturer.

Now we obviously have the technology to block a downshift that would overrev the engine (based on ground speed). Why doesn't auto manufacturer's incorporate this? Especially in cars with more than 3 gears (a simple H pattern). They block reverse, don't they?

The easy answer is that no one (that I've heard of) sues the auto manufacturer for the liability or damage that happens because the car can go into the wrong gear when driven by a human.

Bottom line? If Honda, or any other mfr, doesn't want to pay for damaged over-revved engines, they should put speed-activated (electric soleniod) blocking pins across the lower gear gates to prevent this from happening. Otherwise, their product is defective because it can be damaged in the normal course of operation. Honda should DEFINITELY cover the damage caused by somebody driving the car in a normal manner.

The seats are made for humans, are they not?

Flame away, but don't compare mis-shifting to running the car into a tree. This is why you have insurance, just like a car has a warranty. I mean, think of it: If you move your steering wheel a fraction of an inch to the left, you can correct for it and avoid damage to your car. Move your shift lever a fraction of an inch to the left, and your engine is mangled.

If somebody released a brand new product with this much risk of major damage to the most expensive component by such a small mistake, it would be an outrage! Especially since there is no indicator to tell you what gear you have selected.