[QUOTE]Originally posted by dlq04
[B]But, since it is not -- it simply demands one's full attention when driving.

 

If I'm not mistaken, the ECU should have data in it stating when an over-rev occured, and the mile it occured on. If it does, it's simply a matter of producing the documentation showing the milage when you leased the car. If that documented purchase milage is higher than the ECU's recorded milage of over-revving, then whoever owned the car before would be liable (if not for warranty work, they would be liable for not reporting damage to the engine prior to purchase, which might mean they have to buy the car back at original price).

Good luck!

 

Wow, I thank all for responding and contributing to my dilemma. I have not responded prior, our offices were in transit of moving. I am not ignoring anyone nor have I omiited any information as I read above. This is what has occured:

I met with the AHC district service manager, he has inspected the vechicle and given it a new diagnosis: he indicated that I might have mis-shifted causing the car to overrun and break off the piston head and then get jammed between the cylinder. They are only willing to offer a good faith and cover 1/2 the expenses. Not acceptable when the Acura RSX-S uses the same engine and several owners have experienced the same problem and Acura has replaced it at no cost the first time around. The attorney is working on a rebuttal. During the weekend a friend of mine called and told me to call another dealership. I had the car towed there after speaking with the director of service. Basically he said it should be replaced the 1st time at no cost , he will speak to AHC. He also stated that the service manager from BRAMAN HONDA was an a/hole for not helping me. BRAMAN has lost my business for sure....I have purchased/leased 6 cars from them. This was the last one. By Wednesday of this week, the other dealer should be able to tell me weather or not he was able to convince the AHC district service manager and I can put this issue to rest. Thanks all for responding, will let you know on the progress.

 

Sure sounds like overev due to missed downshift to me. That's "driver error" and no reason AHM should cover under warranty. If they are willing to pay 50% I'd say jump on it and be grateful.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by fast-miami
[B]Wow, I thank all for responding and contributing to my dilemma...

...he indicated that I might have mis-shifted causing the car to overrun and break off the piston head and then get jammed between the cylinder.

 

Destiny2002,

I have to ask, what happened to people taking responsibility for their own actions? The limits of each gear are clearly defined. As you said, if you thought you were in another gear... and screwed up -- to me that's not the manufacturers fault. If you got sloppy in your shifting... and screwed up -- that's not the manufacturers fault. I'll be the first to admit that it's easy enough to do and I've had a couple close calls myself when I wasn't paying attention to what gear I was in, in our rev happy car. I don't know if a shifter gate, like Ferrari has, would be the answer. I'd love to see a digital readout on the dash. But, for now all I have is my sometimes failing memory and I can't blame the manufactuerer for that either. Where's it written that Honda should allow every customer to trash one engine, at $8,000 each, for Goodwill. By your logic, they shouldn't limit it to one since you imply it's a design flaw. I know some owners have been fortunate and gotten a free replacement and other's have not. I don't know what the critera is, or if there even is any but I'd say anyone who got a free one or even was able to split the costs on one was damn lucky. There's a limit to standing behind your product.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dlq04
[B]Destiny2002,

 

DLQ04, I disagree with your statement. I am an experienced driver (I am 33 and have been driving since I was 14, stick shift) and never had mis-shifted nor blown an engine nor was I racing my car. It is HONDA;s responsibility to sit with you and explain how to shift and when....believe it or not...its asked when you fill out their survey, and as I did....I filled out that I hadn't been advised of such.....furthermore....why is that this is occuring so much with the IVTEC engine used in the S2000 and the Acura RXS-S? Answer, there has to be a problem with the springs...that is why Acura dealerships are upgrading them upon replacing the engine. It should not be the owners resp. to pay. HONDA should replace the engine w/out question.

 

Where are you getting your information? First you say the S2K shares it's engine with the RSX which I don't believe is true. Now you're saying it's an IVTEC engine which it's not. These engines have, overall, been very reliable. There have been a few known issues with them but blowing up while idling at a stoplight is not on the list.

 

I agree with Fast-Miami, I'm 44 yrs. old and drive stick shifts since I was 18 and at one time also had a 280Z, never have I had this type of problem or blown an engine. My issue is they are saying all 8 of my valves are bent. I am very careful about how I drive this car and have not lent it to anyone without me in it while driving and KNOW that it has not been over revved. I will admit that I may have accidentally mis shifted when I first got the car, but not over revved the engine because I caught myself. So, why did the problem just show up now? My car is driveable, what prompted me to bring it in is the engine light going on and someone telling me that they thought they heard a tap, tap, noise while it was idling (which you could barely hear). Prior to the engine light going on, I had no incidents of over revving. So I think Honda should be responsible.