Do not lift. This is from driving rear end heavy 911s in both the street and the track. That go for all cars. If you are into a turn hard, and the back starts coming loose, just counter steer and play with the gas and try and correct it that way. If you lift, the weight shifts off the back and loose traction, then out you go off roading. That the beauty about rear wheel drive, you can steer with the gas pedal. not many people know how to drive them anymore. Let along one with high HP.

 

I am glad to hear that you are ok. Take care and have fun.

 

you missed the point of my post, which was this: if you learn how to drive stick on a more forgiving car, you can minimize the chances of this happening. i'm willing to bet $10 that he didn't rev-match and that's why his car spun out. learn on a beater, get good at driving stick, then roll around on a $30,000 set of wheels. that was my point.

anyway, glad you're ok!

 

[QUOTE=YoZUpZ,Oct 17 2007, 01:30 PM]

 

I agree 100%, but simply saying that the car has neutral handling might be a little too much of an over-simplification. A car that has dead neutral handling in steady state cornering will not have dead neutral handling under power or breaking, and with most vehicles the handling bias changes with increasing speeds. Just as an example, on a cloverleaf an XJ-40 LWB is dead neutral under light acceleration, while an early AP1 will tend to slide the back tires first.

Early AP1's (MY00-01) with OEM tires, standard alignment, and standard tire pressures, on well warmed tires, walk a fine line between neutral and over steer in steady state cornering at lower speeds, and an increasing amount of oversteer with increasing speed, due at least in part to all the lift in the rear. It's easy to get the early cars to push on corner entry, but the front tires are glued to the road when you're on the throttle, and the car doesn't push or slide the front and rear tires equally (which is the definition of neutral). The rear tires ALWAYS work at larger slip angles than the front tires, unless you overload the front tires with heavy trail brake. Compared to every other sports car I've ever driven, including those with swing axles and/or rear mounted engines, the early S2000 has a stronger bias toward oversteer.

The MY02-03 cars (bone stock) are closer to dead neutral in steady state cornering, but it's still hard to get the front tires to push on corner exit, and for the handling to be neutral, front and rear slip angles have to be equal.

The only AP2's I've driven have been MY04 cars, and I haven't driven enough '04 cars to be sure, but they strike me as being substantially more neutral in their handling, especially on corner exit (where it matters most).

So while I agree that the S2000 has (more or less) neutral handling, the conditions under which the handling is neutral is pretty narrow, particularly with the earliest cars.

Consider that we don't see people sliding off the road sideways the way they would in a car that produced equal slip angles front and rear. What we constantly see is the result of the rear tires generating larger slip angles and the resulting loss of grip at the rear taking place first. That's over steer, not neutral steer.

 

Wait for it.... wait for it.... RACELOGIC TRACTION CONTROL FTW!!

 

Yeah it happens but try to get the clutch fully engaged (pedal all the way out) before making the turn and it helps to plant your right left leg on the rest to better be able to feather the gas that's what it's for just my .02

 

This thread should be titled S2000 drivers really can be dangerous...

 

I don't see how people have all these problems. The S isn't that powerful and can lay down power at redline with good tires with her fully leaned over.

 

[QUOTE=Eluded,Oct 17 2007, 03:22 PM] I don't see how people have all these problems.