s2000 spin out
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Originally Posted by whiteflash,Oct 14 2010, 07:16 PM
S2Cho, what stops this happening is you taking responsibility. Congratulations, you met a limit... and you failed to keep it within it's limit. No amounts of mods are going to prevent an accident caused by A) A bad driver and B) Poor tires. Your nonchalant attitude at such an accident is semi appaling. It's no secret that the s2000 isn't the most tame animal... if you don't know how to drive it. Your ability to hit a curb/pole, irregardless of other circumstances were directly caused by your inability to drive as fast as you were, in the conditions you were in. Unless someone physically forces your car into a pole, there isn't any technological excuse in the world where hitting a curb/pole ISN'T your fault. Man up, learn how to drive. Just be glad you didn't take someone else with you and the damage was as minimal as it was. You've learned a great lesson, in an immensely cheaper way than some.
1st: be more aware of who is around me.
2nd: never ride on tires that have less than 20% tred
3rd: always have some gas on turns but dont hit vtec
4th: go to a track and get some practice in
5th: know the balance of my car
6th: if im going to get in a situation when someone cuts me off... just hit them and dont try to aviod cause theres always a beast curb right next to you with a bunch of signs...
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Originally Posted by ikeyballz,Oct 14 2010, 10:19 PM
^A speed/ RPM limiter mod would prevent spin outs.
top speed or 20mph and a top RPM of 4000 = safer than any EV!
top speed or 20mph and a top RPM of 4000 = safer than any EV!
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Originally Posted by s2cho,Oct 14 2010, 07:28 PM
lol im pretty sure i learned my lessons.
1st: be more aware of who is around me.
2nd: never ride on tires that have less than 20% tred
3rd: always have some gas on turns but dont hit vtec
4th: go to a track and get some practice in
5th: know the balance of my car
6th: if im going to get in a situation when someone cuts me off... just hit them and dont try to aviod cause theres always a beast curb right next to you with a bunch of signs...
1st: be more aware of who is around me.
2nd: never ride on tires that have less than 20% tred
3rd: always have some gas on turns but dont hit vtec
4th: go to a track and get some practice in
5th: know the balance of my car
6th: if im going to get in a situation when someone cuts me off... just hit them and dont try to aviod cause theres always a beast curb right next to you with a bunch of signs...
That's a great start except #6, but I'm suspect to believe that was in fact sarcasm... and not a continuation of bad behavior. #4 really should be go to an Auto-X or HPDE, as track speeds and technique aren't overly indicative of real life situations. As much as wringing your car back and forth at 30-40mph may not be 'real-life' either, you're not going to be taking off cambered downward sloping U's at 90mph on the street... or shouldn't be anyways.
"And so you touch this limit, something happens and you suddenly can go a little bit further. With your mind power, your determination, your instinct, and the experience as well, you can fly very high." - Ayrton Senna
Remember that the cars limit is not the least bit important, it is your limit. Find it, push it slowly, break it, and find a new limit. Limits might be meant to be broken; but they are always to be respected.
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Originally Posted by whiteflash,Oct 14 2010, 08:01 PM
That's a great start except #6, but I'm suspect to believe that was in fact sarcasm... and not a continuation of bad behavior. #4 really should be go to an Auto-X or HPDE, as track speeds and technique aren't overly indicative of real life situations. As much as wringing your car back and forth at 30-40mph may not be 'real-life' either, you're not going to be taking off cambered downward sloping U's at 90mph on the street... or shouldn't be anyways.
"And so you touch this limit, something happens and you suddenly can go a little bit further. With your mind power, your determination, your instinct, and the experience as well, you can fly very high." - Ayrton Senna
Remember that the cars limit is not the least bit important, it is your limit. Find it, push it slowly, break it, and find a new limit. Limits might be meant to be broken; but they are always to be respected.
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Originally Posted by tarheel91,Oct 14 2010, 07:02 PM
I never said anything about understeer. I said a car with a fatter tire will have less warning that you're about to break loose vs. a car with skinny tires. That's all. There was nothing about front vs. rear or anything like that.
@DammitJim: Sarcastic response to basic information readily available anywhere? Genius.
@s2cho: No. Learn how to drive a RWD car. That will prevent you from crashing your car again. The problem is with you, not the car.
@DammitJim: Sarcastic response to basic information readily available anywhere? Genius.
@s2cho: No. Learn how to drive a RWD car. That will prevent you from crashing your car again. The problem is with you, not the car.
The only other car I have driven that felt so susceptible to snap oversteer simply by lifting the throttle was a 91' MR2 turbo. Actually the MR2 was worse because of even more rear weight bias.
When I drove the Z4M, I was able to do some relatively boneheaded maneuver's like being mid corner accelerating pretty hard and finding that I needed to upshift, still going for it.
I have respect for people that can actually drive S2000's fast....I honestly don't think many S2K owners actually can.
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s2cho, tires grip shouldn't be gudged by how much thread left on them.
some got good thread but are too dry or overheated and they don;t grip good.
some others, such as RE050 or T1R, show some thread but lost most of their grip already. this how they work (or doesn't)
some got good thread but are too dry or overheated and they don;t grip good.
some others, such as RE050 or T1R, show some thread but lost most of their grip already. this how they work (or doesn't)
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Originally Posted by whiteflash,Oct 14 2010, 07:16 PM
S2Cho, what stops this happening is you taking responsibility. Congratulations, you met a limit... and you failed to keep it within it's limit. No amounts of mods are going to prevent an accident caused by A) A bad driver and B) Poor tires. Your nonchalant attitude at such an accident is semi appaling. It's no secret that the s2000 isn't the most tame animal... if you don't know how to drive it. Your ability to hit a curb/pole, irregardless of other circumstances were directly caused by your inability to drive as fast as you were, in the conditions you were in. Unless someone physically forces your car into a pole, there isn't any technological excuse in the world where hitting a curb/pole ISN'T your fault. Man up, learn how to drive. Just be glad you didn't take someone else with you and the damage was as minimal as it was. You've learned a great lesson, in an immensely cheaper way than some.
Having more grip will give you more of a "buffer" but learning the limits of adhesion will help you avoid accidents.
"The car" didn't make you do anything. There are set limits of the car (and tires) which are modified by the road conditions. Anything past that point is what you chose to do appropriately or inappropriately.
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Some roads are slick and greasy, especially after a light rain. A lot of younger and less experienced drivers don't ever think of road conditions or can predict when they are unsafe.
My S has been somewhat sideways at times I didn't expect, but to slide into a pole, I have to believe there was crap on the road and you were driving faster than condions allow. Shit happens, learn from it.
My S has been somewhat sideways at times I didn't expect, but to slide into a pole, I have to believe there was crap on the road and you were driving faster than condions allow. Shit happens, learn from it.
