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Old Feb 6, 2005 | 02:53 PM
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I'm having a hard time imaging a shorter throw than the stock shifter. I don't think I'd like it. 1st to 2nd in a S2000 feels like 1st to neutral in most cars.

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Old Feb 6, 2005 | 03:07 PM
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I have the C's Short Shift on my car and took it to the track yesterday. I'll be removing it this weekend. I found it almost impossible to find gears on the track with it.

That said, anybody that is dead keen on getting one who am I to discourage you. And look for my post in the For Sale section.
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Old Feb 6, 2005 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul' date='Feb 5 2005, 11:42 PM
I have an S2k tailshaft in the shop now. It looks very similar to the Rx8. They both use the shaft with the rubber bushing in it. Sloppy stuff. They both use the same style lock out. Feel free to look up the thread on the rx8 forum by users of my kit. Called the RP short shifter, there are two threads, one during development and one from users.
Sloppy? The S2000 has one of the best shifters I've used. I came from a Miata, which was I thought was the best shifting tranny I've ever felt and the S is slightly better. I can't imagine it being any shorter. The position and height of the shifter is just about perfect. Honda put a lot of R&D into this car.

Now, I've driven an RX-8 and it could use some help. It's not as good as the Miata or S2000 shifter. The Z's shifter is horrible. It's very clunky and vague. I've driven my mother's Z Roadster many times and I've missed so many shifts in that car. It seems like you have to work hard to get it in the right gear.
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Old Feb 6, 2005 | 04:15 PM
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I believe I would have to try one before I got it...i love the stock shifter, and I find it hard to imagine what something "shorter and stiffer" would feel like.

anyone in houston area w/ the modified short throw?
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Old Feb 6, 2005 | 07:38 PM
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I think there will be someone in Houston very soon.
We mocked up the trans today and are debating how much to shorten the throw and the stick itself.
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Old Feb 6, 2005 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tkeedy' date='Feb 6 2005, 05:05 AM
A short shifter has been an essential mod in a few past cars of mine. I think most would agree that for this car a short shifter would just be for those who want one more mod to add to a list. Honda managed to make what is widely praised as the sweetest feeling/shifting tranny in our cars out of the box and I believe that messing with that is not going to improve feel, and will most likely increase mis-shifts and grinding as X-Viper mentioned.

Good luck
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Old Feb 7, 2005 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison' date='Feb 6 2005, 08:03 AM
Yup. The stock shifter is fantastic. Nice, quick, short throws. But with very little effort, as long as you let the tranny warm up a bit and try to rev-match. The only reason to modify it is because "others cars have short shifter mods". Yeah, and a M3 with a short shifter still has longer throws than an S2000....
I disagree.

I have a UUC Evo3 short shifter on my E36 M3. It has much shorter throw than a stock s2000. I say this having driven both and own one.
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Old Feb 7, 2005 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Sownman' date='Feb 6 2005, 03:53 PM
1st to 2nd in a S2000 feels like 1st to neutral in most cars.
The first time I drove my brother's C5 Corvette, I unconsciously used my standard motion, and, much to my chagrin, ended up in neutral (I loved the C5 otherwise, BTW, so I can only imagine what I would think about the C6 with it short-throw shifter).

I have no interest in a shorter throw shifter in this car.
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Old Feb 7, 2005 | 01:05 PM
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I've been reading with interest your responce to my querry about what you like. My only question is who declared the S2k the standard to go by? I hear you've driven a C5 or an M3 bla bla etc.
Have anyone out there ever driven a real race car? For instance something with a Hewland transaxle. That should be the standard to rate shifting by.

Of course there can't be a true comparison to a syncromesh gearbox, they can never be as fast as a dog ring. But you could better replicate the solidity and stroke.

There is no way I can discribe the feel and stroke of one of these boxes. Just say a stroke of two inch and you feel the parts moving and know when it's in gear. In fact a good driver will know when it didn't get locked up and know not to release the clutch. That is if he were to use the clutch. If not, he knows not to hammer the throttle. You rarely see missed shifts lately do you?

I admit you need more leverage with a syncro box but it seems these boxes are so very smooth. A lot smoother then the domestic transmisions. Therefore a shorter then normal stroke can be used. Most of all if you are tracking your car, you need the feel. The rubber bushing in the stalk is great for getting out the little vibrations that you would otherwise feel, but for the track it looses a needed input stimuli.

I've decided to go ahead and build these things because it is my belief that the drivers who try them will let you synics know. However I will drive a C's equiped car next week in order to decide how much shorter to make it. I take it lowering the shaft is desirable? By how much he ask's?

Aus2000 e mail your new mate and ask, Steve Adams
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Old Feb 7, 2005 | 01:13 PM
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Well here's a synic [sic] that admires your tenacity. And if you want a C's shortshifter as a comparison make an offer.
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