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Old Feb 7, 2005 | 06:01 PM
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I'll be very interested.

Of course, depending on the reviews of course.
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Old Feb 8, 2005 | 04:46 AM
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My only question is who declared the S2k the standard to go by?
Well, a huge amount of those folks who have driven C5's, M3's, Miatas, 911's. I've driven all but the C5 myself and compared stock for stock nothing's quite as sweet. I've read on here a Porsche dealer cautioning a potential client coming from an S2k that they may not be quite as happy with the tranny as in the Honda.

Have anyone out there ever driven a real race car?
Honestly no, but a huge amount of active members have been involved with track events and auto-x. The cars we all drive, the S2k included are designed and enjoyed as both weekend racers and daily drivers, most are modified to varying degrees. Messing with the fluidity of an already near perfect transmission feel is not going to make our cars a "race car" by your definition either.

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Noone here is telling you No, don't make your proposed product. You asked opinions as to whether or not there was interest. As you can see from the posts some are enthusiastic, some of us are not. I would merely hope you use this as a cautionary statement not to make a huge production run and loose a lot of $$$.

S2ki.com probably encompasses the greatest amount of true enthusiasts involved with this very specific car. The non-enthusiasts that are out there driving it around will never look twice at your product and it would seem from here that a large percentage of us true enthusiasts are not interested.
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Old Feb 8, 2005 | 04:49 AM
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im definately going to get in the first batch of production when it comes out.

just let me know.

Phil
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Old Feb 8, 2005 | 05:26 AM
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No offense, but I think it's funny that you ask for opinions and when your potential customer base is giving it to you. You decide to mock and berate them by assuming people don't know or haven't had experience with this and other cars. Make your product, if it's good it'll sell. But please don't just assume you know the folks you are dealing with.
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Old Feb 8, 2005 | 07:46 AM
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I am very interested so long as the feeling is either hightened or maintained... irregardless of the shortened stroke, I'd like a more direct feel...
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Old Feb 8, 2005 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by turbo_pwr' date='Feb 8 2005, 07:26 AM
No offense, but I think it's funny that you ask for opinions and when your potential customer base is giving it to you. You decide to mock and berate them by assuming people don't know or haven't had experience with this and other cars. Make your product, if it's good it'll sell. But please don't just assume you know the folks you are dealing with.

Don't turn a good first impression into a crappy second impression. Inflammatory statements like:
"My only question is who declared the S2k the standard to go by?"
Will not serve you well here. This is a dedicated S2K site. The owners who are here are just as dedicated to their cars and take great pride in them. And as owners of this car, it is the right of said owners to declare anything they want about their cars. It's called pride of ownership. Until there is a GOD OF CAR OWNERSHIP to make LAW what car owners can or cannot express as THEIR considered "standard", there is NO standard except the one that each owner imposes.
For example, if I so choose to state that I consider my shifter to be "perfect", who is anyone to come along and tell me I'm wrong. A suggestion that something else "might" be worth looking into is OK, but don't insult my pride and joy or my opinion. This is doubly true for someone who hopes to sell something to those same people that the imflammatory statement is directed at.
As already mentioned, you asked for comments. You didn't indicate you only wanted favourable ones.
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Old Feb 8, 2005 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul' date='Feb 7 2005, 02:05 PM
My only question is who declared the S2k the standard to go by?
Hmm, let's see. How about every enthusiast magazine that's reviewd the car? Not good enough? How about nearly every enthusiast that's driven the car?

I hear you've driven a C5 or an M3 bla bla etc.
Have anyone out there ever driven a real race car? For instance something with a Hewland transaxle. That should be the standard to rate shifting by.
Actually, yes, I've driven a variety of race cars. Formula Fords, Radicals, etc. What's your point? Those are straight cut gear boxes, some sequential, some conventional shift patterns, none of which are suitable for the street. This is a street car by the way. The number of purpose built S2000 race cars in the country is probably less than 20. I hope you're not basing your target market on those guys.

BTW, have you ever driven an S2000?

I've decided to go ahead and build these things because it is my belief that the drivers who try them will let you synics know.
Good for you. Nothing like doing some market research and ignoring it. I wish you luck with your product.
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Old Feb 8, 2005 | 11:24 AM
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Cheezzz, Guess I better work on my people skills. My ex wife was right.

If I insulted anyone I'm sorry. That was not my intention. I just wanted to point out that there might be room for improvment, don't close your mind because some magazine told you so.

But, I will put my money where my big mouth is. Hoping not to put my small foot in it. I will go with the production of what in my mind is an improved shifter. Cost to others, nothing. I will put a couple out there as beta test units and see what happens. I've already made up my mind who gets them though. Therefore all the people who don't think it worthwile do not need apply as a tester.

If I'm rough sometime ignore me. I will still bring you a good product at a reasonable price, Even if you don't want it.
Just to be safe I'm only going to run 50.
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Old Feb 8, 2005 | 11:29 AM
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Ok Ok Ok, I just re read your comments. You've changed my mind, I will not build it. I will put my R&D money elsewhere.
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Old Feb 8, 2005 | 11:42 AM
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Just think about all the products that we would not have if we ran off everyone willing to work on them.

"Sorry Rick, there is already 4.44 and 4.77 gears, we don't NEED 4.57."

"Don't worry Lucid. The stereo sounds fine the way it is."

MacGyver, Modifry, Kodakan_4, Luder94.......

Etc, etc, etc.
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