Should the S2000 have a Corvette engine?
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From: Milford, CT
Hmm seems that we have more space length-wise then width. Thats why I even suggested the I-5 in the first place.
But anyway Bill, I am more than happy with what I have. Last weekend was a blast driving that Mohawk trail.
But anyway Bill, I am more than happy with what I have. Last weekend was a blast driving that Mohawk trail.
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I would love to believe that my stock '04 S2000 is putting out 260+ horsepower. It's just not happening.
Ferrari uses an interesting metric to describe the power output capability of their engines (including F1 engines). The value is:
bhp / swept volume (L) / engine speed @ peak bhp (1000 rpm)
For example: the '00 - '03 S2000 would be:
240/1.997/8.300 = 14.48
Now this is interesting, because it factors in air/fuel intake rate (for n/a) into the old "specific horsepower" argument. It sort of accounts for effective compression AND volumetric efficiency AND thermal effeciency with one index. Clearly, this is an easy number to calculate for most road cars.
What's more interesting is that Ferrari actually publishes this data for their naturally aspirated F1 cars (through 2000). The limiting value seems to be about 15, a number which even they are just now breeching.
Now, let's look at this in the context of the MY04 engine, and we'll assume for the sake of argument that the output is indeed 270 bhp:
270/2.157/7.800 = 16.05
WOW! That would indicate that a road car, with catalyzed exhaust and mufflers, designed to last into the hundreds of thousands of miles, is far better at making horsepower than an all-out Formula One car. Does this seem likely to anybody?
If I were a betting man, I'd suggest that a more likely output figure would be in the 245-250 range.
Ferrari uses an interesting metric to describe the power output capability of their engines (including F1 engines). The value is:
bhp / swept volume (L) / engine speed @ peak bhp (1000 rpm)
For example: the '00 - '03 S2000 would be:
240/1.997/8.300 = 14.48
Now this is interesting, because it factors in air/fuel intake rate (for n/a) into the old "specific horsepower" argument. It sort of accounts for effective compression AND volumetric efficiency AND thermal effeciency with one index. Clearly, this is an easy number to calculate for most road cars.
What's more interesting is that Ferrari actually publishes this data for their naturally aspirated F1 cars (through 2000). The limiting value seems to be about 15, a number which even they are just now breeching.
Now, let's look at this in the context of the MY04 engine, and we'll assume for the sake of argument that the output is indeed 270 bhp:
270/2.157/7.800 = 16.05
WOW! That would indicate that a road car, with catalyzed exhaust and mufflers, designed to last into the hundreds of thousands of miles, is far better at making horsepower than an all-out Formula One car. Does this seem likely to anybody?
If I were a betting man, I'd suggest that a more likely output figure would be in the 245-250 range.
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From: Socal, CA
Originally posted by tokyo_james
I can't believe discussions like this go on so often ...
If Honda had put a 360bhp V8 in it, people would still want more
If people aren't happy with what the engine produces why don't they just buy a car that makes them happy
I can't believe discussions like this go on so often ...
If Honda had put a 360bhp V8 in it, people would still want more
If people aren't happy with what the engine produces why don't they just buy a car that makes them happy