Now THIS, I agree with! It's nice to see that while you maintain youre point about speeding, that you are in fact, a realist and can see the distinction as to who should and should not.

I feel the same as you and am reminded as I drive on a daily basis that all humans were not meant to drive.

While I frequently drive above the posted speed limit, I am not aggressive, blind to others or reckless.

I think this is exactly the point I and some others here are trying to make.

Thank you!

 

Due to this episode, I will always think of the Toyota Prius as the "Pius".

 

I don't think it is too much to ask of motorists for them to retain their stock emissions equipment. It is the law of the land and if you don't like it elect officials that will do away with such regulations. I really think that the "air is already polluted so what will my additional emissions matter" point of view is really a cop out. We have 10,000 deaths per year in the U.S. related to air pollution and the more people who claim the libertarian point of view that they should be able to do what they want the higher this number can potentially climb. Always remember:

THE SOLUTION TO POLLUTION IS DILUTION

And since our breathable atmosphere isn't getting any larger and the number of cars is increasing, the solution would be technological innovation to reduce our impact on the environment. When car manufacturers go to all the expense of R&D to mitigate this problem the least we can do is keep the necessary equipment we paid for in the price of the auto so this issue can be addressed one car at a time.

And if you don't think air pollution is a problem maybe you should try a little trip to Mexico city where residents are advised not to exercise outdoors b/c it may be dangerous to their health - so ironic isn't it?

 

Now who's rationalizing?

 

lol - This guy DEFINITELY votes democratic

There is no way we'll get a libertarian in office any time soon so, the 'elect who we want to change things' is bunk.

Oh, and NFRAP1, I noticed that you posted it RIGHT after I posted mine I went back to the discussion and saw that you posted it further down on the page I was reading and said "d'oh!" But hey, we drive the same color/chassis so I hope it's alright with you - great minds think alike I was just trying to do my part! Thaaanks!

 

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I know it's pretty late in the game here, but I just wanted to mention that simply saying something doesn't make it true. I saw a LOT of people spouting off "facts" here, without any kind of proof or evidence. Similarly, having a degree doesn't make what you say any more valid, and mentioning that degree to enhance your validity on an unrelated subject isn't helpful. If you want to discuss emissions, reference a source with verified history of research in emissions.

Also, restating the opposition's argument in simplified terms doesn't really enhance your position here.

I am aware that this is probably the wrong place to find thought out and informed opinions on subjects like these, but some of the stuff in this thread was borderline depressing. I am interested in hearing about traffic speed-related fatalities, if you can draw a link between the average speed of traffic and regularity of wrecks/deaths. If you have info on actual, verifiable pollutant levels, I'd like to see that too.

Simply writing that someone going 20MPH faster than traffic is more likely to cause wrecks is pretty much accepted. Proving that if everyone was going 20MPH faster than current speed limits, there would be more wrecks, is a little more difficult and more relevant to this discussion, I think.

Not trying to flame anyone here, I'm genuinely interested in hearing more thought out replies, with evidence/proof to back these things up.

 

Hi JGS2K!

Have you tried to secure copies of a variety of studies related to speed as a contributing factor to the cause of thousands of incidents annually. It is based on many of these studies in coordination with other transportation objectives of cities and states when they decide to fund the development project involving a road widenings or other improvements inclusive of development of new freeways.

I recommend that you contact the Federal Transportation Deparment, the Institute of Traffic Engineers (ITE), the highway transportation department of the particular state you reside in and lastly the Trafffic Safety department for your partiular city.

I believe you may find these sources helpful in your search.

Good luck

 

Medicine has made huge improvements over the years. I bet quicker emergency response along with stronger/more crash worthy cars probably doesn't hurt either?