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Old Mar 22, 2009 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Downgear,Mar 22 2009, 06:24 PM
Its really not THAT big a deal. Learn the car and have some common sense. The S is my first rwd car and I drive it daily through harsh Canadian winters where the road is rarely dry! I have never had an issue and never even had any close calls. Sometimes its good to learn what the car can do in harsh conditions so you dont panic. Many say to do some autocrosses in the rain to REALLY learn what the car is about and how to handle the limit. Just my opinion however!
It is a big deal when it happened. I got an instant heart attack right there after completing a more than 360degs spin and didn't have a clue what to do other than braking and this appears to be a bad decision from some people's feedback.

I am driving it regularly now as a learning process but have to admit personally, it's not a straight forward car to be driven.

I had previously driven an Acura RSX Type-S and it's dead easy car by miles compared to S2K.
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Old Mar 22, 2009 | 07:23 PM
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in your situation, both feet in (brake and clutch) was a good idea. If you try to control a spin and cant, or dont know what to do, thats what you do. however, driving in the rain, you want to balance the car. be very smooth with ALL inputs (gas, steering, brake), and keep plenty of distance between you and anybody around. The reason its bad to brake when youre spinning, is that braking puts more weight on the front of the car, taking weight off the back, inturn reducing the amount of traction the back tires have. Also, if you're in a spin, your rear tires dont have much traction anyway, so braking just locks them up.

if you are going to spin or over steer, the best way to correct is by countersteering. once you feel the back of the car start to slide, turn the wheel smoothly but quickly in the direction of the spin. If your tail end is goin towards the driver side, turn left (assuming drivers sit on the left side of the car where your from). Also, some people suggest giving a little bit more throttle also. If you do this (countersteer and/or more gas), sometimes the car will start to slide the other way, so you turn the wheel back to the right.

A big no no in these situations is throttle lift. imagine driving down a perfectly straight road. You're redlining every gear, and then suddenly lift off the throttle. Whats the car do? The front end "nose dives", because the momentum from you accelerating suddenly goes away, and the weighty suddenly transfers to the front. Doing this while turning at a high rate of speed, or in poor conditions will cause you to spin.

With all that said, once you do start to regain control of the car, you want to SLOWLY and SMOOTHLY ease off the gas.

The biggest part of it all is making sure you drive as smoothly as possible.

Have fun, and be safe. If you get caught in the rain, dont worry about anybody else, just take it easy, and drive at YOUR comfort level.
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Old Mar 22, 2009 | 07:44 PM
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wow 360! at least no one got hurt, but yeah slide my car a bit but never lost it like that. the S can be unstable if the weather conditions arnt good or acting dumb. but glad ur ok and the S is good.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by shotgunjimmy,Mar 22 2009, 07:23 PM
in your situation, both feet in (brake and clutch) was a good idea. If you try to control a spin and cant, or dont know what to do, thats what you do. however, driving in the rain, you want to balance the car. be very smooth with ALL inputs (gas, steering, brake), and keep plenty of distance between you and anybody around. The reason its bad to brake when youre spinning, is that braking puts more weight on the front of the car, taking weight off the back, inturn reducing the amount of traction the back tires have. Also, if you're in a spin, your rear tires dont have much traction anyway, so braking just locks them up.

if you are going to spin or over steer, the best way to correct is by countersteering. once you feel the back of the car start to slide, turn the wheel smoothly but quickly in the direction of the spin. If your tail end is goin towards the driver side, turn left (assuming drivers sit on the left side of the car where your from). Also, some people suggest giving a little bit more throttle also. If you do this (countersteer and/or more gas), sometimes the car will start to slide the other way, so you turn the wheel back to the right.

A big no no in these situations is throttle lift. imagine driving down a perfectly straight road. You're redlining every gear, and then suddenly lift off the throttle. Whats the car do? The front end "nose dives", because the momentum from you accelerating suddenly goes away, and the weighty suddenly transfers to the front. Doing this while turning at a high rate of speed, or in poor conditions will cause you to spin.

With all that said, once you do start to regain control of the car, you want to SLOWLY and SMOOTHLY ease off the gas.

The biggest part of it all is making sure you drive as smoothly as possible.

Have fun, and be safe. If you get caught in the rain, dont worry about anybody else, just take it easy, and drive at YOUR comfort level.
To shotgunjimmy, cheers mate! A really good comments there, at the least now I know what to do under that circumstances.

Also not to forget to other posters, thanks for the feedback
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by funat9000rpm,Mar 22 2009, 07:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ygAWUZqE-A


wasn't me, was a buddy's AP2... I was riding shotgun though..
Your "buddy" is an idiot.

Looked like fun though lol
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 03:16 AM
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What gear were you in when this happened? We've had lots of threads about driving in wet conditions. It can be tricky. I'm wondering if this ties in to the discussion about braking versus downshifting. I'm a downshifter (I do it alot and brake not so much), which relates to the comment above about letting the engine do your braking for you rather than your foot. Perhaps if you had been in a lower gear you would not have had to hit the brake.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MsPerky,Mar 23 2009, 03:16 AM
What gear were you in when this happened? We've had lots of threads about driving in wet conditions. It can be tricky. I'm wondering if this ties in to the discussion about braking versus downshifting. I'm a downshifter (I do it alot and brake not so much), which relates to the comment above about letting the engine do your braking for you rather than your foot. Perhaps if you had been in a lower gear you would not have had to hit the brake.
Well speed was 40km/h (24mph) so that's 2nd gear.

I stopped at traffic light just before turn.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by roadie114,Mar 22 2009, 06:31 PM
Sorry dude, but tell your friend that's a stupid ass way of driving on public roads. Any dumbshit can redline every gear and go fast. So cool doing that with traffic around huh? It shows no control.............
I wasn't ready for his spin out, and thought I was dying...
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by funat9000rpm,Mar 22 2009, 03:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ygAWUZqE-A


wasn't me, was a buddy's AP2... I was riding shotgun though..
oopsie...........
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 05:19 AM
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30-40 km/h is too fast under good conditions in my opinion unless you know forsure the road and its condition (sand,gravel,etc on the surface) and have plenty of room for mistake.
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