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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Riviera,Mar 23 2009, 07:52 AM
Well speed was 40km/h (24mph) so that's 2nd gear.

I stopped at traffic light just before turn.
Hmmm...second is pretty low. Glad you came out of it OK!
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 09:40 AM
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I'm betting on low tread on his tires too. I've raced the old S02 tires in the rain and it wasn't awful when they were new-ish. They did get slick when they had less tread and they were not warmed up.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 10:13 AM
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yeah i spun out 3 times... 1) accidentally 2) on purpose to see (closed road condition 3) dry condition.

i think im gonna go autocross my car to fully test the limits and to further understand my car ...

you should do the same!
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 12:59 PM
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I think it should be mandatory that everyone Autox their S2000, it really really helps you understand car control
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Riviera,Mar 22 2009, 09:55 PM
this appears to be a bad decision from some people's feedback.
I honestly do not agree with that, I think braking was the right thing to do (just make sure you clutch in too).

I understand what some people are saying and I would agree that in a bit of oversteer situation, yes maybe some countersteer and balanced throttle may be a good thing. However, once you are so far out of shape trying to save the car will do more harm than good, 99% of the time you want to get an out of control car slowed/stopped as quickly as possible. Anyone who has spent some time around the track can come up with endless stories of the "guy who tried to save the car, instead of taking the safe bailout (straght into the gravel trap, both feet in etc.) and it ended much worse than it likely would have had he just taken choice B.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 04:44 PM
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Honestly, I just drive like a grandma when the roads are wet lol.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MsPerky,Mar 23 2009, 03:16 AM
What gear were you in when this happened? We've had lots of threads about driving in wet conditions. It can be tricky. I'm wondering if this ties in to the discussion about braking versus downshifting. I'm a downshifter (I do it alot and brake not so much), which relates to the comment above about letting the engine do your braking for you rather than your foot. Perhaps if you had been in a lower gear you would not have had to hit the brake.
Downshifting to decelerate is fine if you're driving slowly and in a straight line, but with aggressive driving it would be suicidal.

Entering a corner while still using engine braking to decelerate is like entering a corner with the handbrake partially on! In a car prone to oversteer, you will spin.

Cars have brakes for a reason. They are highly effective at slowing the car down, they distribute braking force to all 4 wheels (not just the rear), and they are a hell of a lot cheaper to replace than a clutch.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 05:47 PM
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^ To each his/her own. I do lots of downshifting on curvy roads, especially in the mountains. Makes the car much more fun to drive. The downshift occurs right before the curve, not in it. Still here and spin free after almost eight years of S ownership.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MsPerky,Mar 23 2009, 05:47 PM
^ To each his/her own. I do lots of downshifting on curvy roads, especially in the mountains. Makes the car much more fun to drive. The downshift occurs right before the curve, not in it. Still here and spin free after almost eight years of S ownership.
Downshifting and braking should be completed (ideally) before you enter the curve, never in it, then you accelerate through curve to give a better weight ratio for the rear of the car, especially one prone to oversteer rather than understeer. That way, even if you were to break the rear end loose, you can control it easily by feathering the throttle a little.
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Old Mar 23, 2009 | 08:30 PM
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My s2000 in the rain with balding azenis feels a lot like the red miata in this video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPWwPuUxp1M
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