Think about it. The video was produced at least two years ago, after the AP2 debuted. At that time, in Japan, all they had were AP2 chassis with F20c engines. And wasn't that tuned AP1 stroked to 2.2 liters or something?

 

Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3CkunWicY8

AP1 vs AP2 vs AP1 tuned


After you watch that....check out the J's S2000 spank a Z33 on the touge...lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlZFhLXjX-U

 

The test involves a JDM MY04 NOT MY06. That video is incorrectly labeled.

 

Thats the video.

All 3 cars have the F20C 2.0.

The red car has intake & exhaust, tien suspension, non staggered wheels/tires, GEARS, 260hp and a big wing.

you guys can argue driver skill, but seriously stop using that as an excuse. Suspension is either better suited for track or its not. This video makes it pretty clear how the AP2 suspension fairs against the AP1 suspension on a Race Track.(compair the yellow cars)

 

[QUOTE=negcamber,Nov 7 2006, 10:43 PM]
Hmmm...did you have timing equipement?

 

shit on the dorky AP2 pride freaks.

 

apparently you haven't read half of this thread. Everyone knows the AP2 puts out more peak power, and greater power through out IT'S powerband. Then you look at the dyno and the engine spec sheets and see the AP1 has 1,000 more RPMs where it puts down >180whp. In a race from 0rpm to 8000rpm in a single gear the AP2 will win. 0rpm to 9000rpm (0 to 8k, then a shift for the AP2 where its back to 155-160whp), the AP1 will probably win. In an extended race with multiple shifts they will be practically dead even.

 

actually I've run my stock ap2 against two stock ap1 and we take off dead even at the start. the ap1 does not pull when I shift to second, and I didn't pull when he went into second, but once I shift to third(remember he is still in second) I start to pull slowly away. That extra 1000rpm in stock form only hurts the ap1's.

Think f it like this. Both cars make 240hp at around 8000rpm. So when the ap2 shifts it drops down in rpm to around the area where it's making around 190-200hp while the ap1 keeps climbing and it's power drops down to 180hp. That early hift does not hurt the ap2 because thn once the ap1 shifts and drops down to around 190-200 hp, the ap2 is climbing and is probably around 220-230 hp. Hop that made sense, it did to me

 

Okay, this thread has turned into a disaster.

C'mon guys, we are all enthusiasts of the same car that happens to have two different flavors.

I owned a 2001 S2K and it was the most exhilarating car I have ever driven. I ended up selling mine because I got tired of paying rent and wanted a house. I can't wait until I can afford another one. (Maybe this time next year!!!)

I test drove a couple of AP2s last week just to see what all the fuss was about. The first one was a 2006 with 200 miles on it. Normally, I don't thrash a brand new car, but I figured this one had been thrashed already so what the hell. I was totally unimpressed with this car. I was convinced Honda ruined the car with the lower redline and suspension changes.

That all changed when I drove a stock 2006 with 5k miles on it. What a difference a break-in makes. The used 2006 felt sensational and was clearly "quicker" than my 2001. This is (probably) partially due to the high ratio final drive. I also had more confidence pushing the car into turns. Let's face it, the AP1's tendency to oversteer is undesirable and just plain nasty.

To make a long story short, I feel that Honda improved the car in every way with the AP2. The gearbox is silky smooth now, the chassis is stiffer, you can push the car into turns without fear of the rear end kicking out and you're not up sh*ts creek if you're not in VTEC.

I'm glad I got a chance to finally drive an S2000 with the 2.2. It is an awesome machine and worthy of the S2000 name.

Too bad Honda doesn't make both versions available. A limited edition Type R with the 2.0 and the AP2 we have now. Now that would be sweet!

 

I think the gears had alot more to do with it . The better suspension helps ofcourse but someone could argue that it would depend on the driver and what they liked. What I couldnt understand was the non staggered setup! I thought that would hinder the car (especially being an AP1 which is very twitchy sometimes). I am going to have to look into this further. Does that mean a non staggered setup fixes the "twitchy" behavior? I know the driver was a pro but he didnt look like he had any problems.