I know that my opinion is worth nothing in this discussion, but I am with you all the way.

A brand new car that has just been serviced by an authorized dealer should be under warranty regardless of what broke.

I would continue to press my case with AHM until you reach a reasonable person. If not you may have to press forward with the state consumer affairs department and an attorney.

Please keep us posted. Good luck.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dhoward
[B]Interesting side note, the dealership called me back and stated they had done some diagnostic tests and determined that it was the number 2 cylinder that was bad.

 

I would think in the future that anybody who develops this symptom should pull over a mile or so before they get to the dealer and top the oil off. (If mine has this problem I'm definately going to check the oil before giving the car to the dealer) It would eliminate them blaiming low oil.


Hugh

 

One thing here puzzles me and nobody has mentioned it. dhoward says the car was checked 600 miles before the failure and had "clear and full oil". I'm just curious about that because oil gets dirty looking very quickly. A car with the original oil and 5k miles would not have "clear oil". Just makes me wonder if the shop really checked it.

Also I know AHM makes a big point of checking the oil and keeping it full but ANY engine should function and not fail as long as it has oil PRESSURE because if it has PRESSURE then it is circulating oil thru the engine and the oil is therefore doing the job it's supposed to do. Most cars will continue to pick up oil and thus have pressure with as little as 2 qts. in the crankcase. THe QUANTITY in the engine is irrelevant as long as the oil pump pickup can reach the oil and pump it thru the engine. The only difference a low quantity can make is that the oil will run hotter (and thus thinner) but in moderate driving it wouldn't be as hot with low oil as it would be under continuous hard driving and full oil.

 

My break-in oil was clear at 650 miles. My replacement oil is clear at 3007 miles (2,350 miles on the replacement block.)

I agree and think that the "idiot light" for oil is worthless. They might as well leave it out and just say, "Check your oil or toast your engine at your own risk." Most owners with short block replacement due to failure of cylinders, pistons, bearings, etc. have never seen the "low oil" light, even when as little as two quarts are left in the engine.

In my case, with only 650 miles on the odometer, the oil was absolutely full. I even discussed keeping the old oil and reusisng it since they couldn't get "breakin oil" but I was advised to not do that due to the potential that the old oil was contaminated from the first block's break in or the first block's death.

 

I just researched Honda US headquarters in Torrance, CA for my wife, who is getting totally screwed (they think) by a Honda dealer on the payoff for the lease for her Passport. I have names, from the Pres on down, titles, and addresses, if anyone needs to raise hell over an issue like this.

The Raptor

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by andrewewing
[B]One thing here puzzles me and nobody has mentioned it. dhoward says the car was checked 600 miles before the failure and had "clear and full oil". I'm just curious about that because oil gets dirty looking very quickly. A car with the original oil and 5k miles would not have "clear oil". Just makes me wonder if the shop really checked it.

 

How can you check oil when filling with petrol? Doesn't it take a good 20 minutes to drain to the sump and enable you to receive an accurate reading?

In the UK, the service schedule states oil should be replaced every 3,000 miles - interesting how there should be differences of that magnitude.

 

4 or 5 minutes is plenty of time for an accurate reading. I generally fill the tank, pay for it, wash the windows, etc. and when I'm all done and ready to go. . . that's when I check the oil. Test it yourself. Check it immediately, then at 4 minutes, than at 20 minutes. My quess, the last two will match . . . and, the first will be off.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dlq04
[B]4 or 5 minutes is plenty of time for an accurate reading.