Traction control, yes or no.
I'd love to have switchable traction control. I have no problems w/o it, but I think we'd see significantly fewer spins if it was available. Even better would be an Active Handling package similar to the C5 Vette. Yeah, I know it's counter to the design team's focus, but it flat out works and greatly increases the C5's handling limits, at least w/ mere mortals behind the wheel.
I think it would have to be standard, though, since Honda's mfg. style is to crank out every car of a model exactly the same other than color. IMO, that's one of the factors responsible for Honda's competitive advantage in quality.
I think it would have to be standard, though, since Honda's mfg. style is to crank out every car of a model exactly the same other than color. IMO, that's one of the factors responsible for Honda's competitive advantage in quality.
it's a roadster.
it's a sportscar.
sportscars are purpose driven and monomaniacally single-focused. anything that interferes with the interaction between the driver, the car and the road or track should be eliminated.
it already has too much "cruft" (cruise control, power top, power windows, cup holder) designed purely to appeal to the midstream US market.
by your logic it should also be a front wheel drive couple, tuned to understeer, with narrow all season tires. you know... an RSX.
it's a sportscar.
sportscars are purpose driven and monomaniacally single-focused. anything that interferes with the interaction between the driver, the car and the road or track should be eliminated.
it already has too much "cruft" (cruise control, power top, power windows, cup holder) designed purely to appeal to the midstream US market.
by your logic it should also be a front wheel drive couple, tuned to understeer, with narrow all season tires. you know... an RSX.
Originally posted by Triple-H
TC would do nothing to save the car that has been put into an oversteer situation by sudden trailing throttle oversteer, i.e. the driver took his/her foot off the gas in mid corner or in the wet and the weight transfer loosened up the rear enough to send it around.
TC would do nothing to save the car that has been put into an oversteer situation by sudden trailing throttle oversteer, i.e. the driver took his/her foot off the gas in mid corner or in the wet and the weight transfer loosened up the rear enough to send it around.
I'm quite happy to drive the S2000 without traction control, as has been said previously a poorly implemented TC system can ruin an cars character. Porsche's integrated PSM system looks very interesting but comes with a hefty price premium - something of that quality (that will try and pick up the pieces if you really get out of shape) may have been of interest to me had it been on the options list for the S2000.
Hi all.
I would definitely say NO. If I have a traction control, I would perhaps never turn it off. Turning it off and then crashing the car with power oversteering (that typically does not happen with very good TCs) would make me hurt. The other side is, that a lot of fun would be lost. I love the honda because I can steer with the gas pedal, and that is lost with a TC.
Check out Mercedes. They were never able to build cars that perform well. They built great engines but did bad chassis. Now Mercedes has the technology like ABC, ESP, SBC all that stuff. The cars perform quite well now, but it feels bad, because you always have the feeling it's not you driving the car, it's the computer, and actually it is like that. I hate that.
I want full control. I want to sense what the car does, and pressing the gas pedal, I want the car to do what it should, and I hate having something in between that decides that it has to do something different than my senses and experiances tell me.
With all these systems you have to adept your driving style from the ground up, you end up learning a wrong driving style, and I think this is very dangerous in the middle to long terms.
I love the honda because it's so pure. Not all that electronic shit in it....
Phillip
I would definitely say NO. If I have a traction control, I would perhaps never turn it off. Turning it off and then crashing the car with power oversteering (that typically does not happen with very good TCs) would make me hurt. The other side is, that a lot of fun would be lost. I love the honda because I can steer with the gas pedal, and that is lost with a TC.
Check out Mercedes. They were never able to build cars that perform well. They built great engines but did bad chassis. Now Mercedes has the technology like ABC, ESP, SBC all that stuff. The cars perform quite well now, but it feels bad, because you always have the feeling it's not you driving the car, it's the computer, and actually it is like that. I hate that.
I want full control. I want to sense what the car does, and pressing the gas pedal, I want the car to do what it should, and I hate having something in between that decides that it has to do something different than my senses and experiances tell me.
With all these systems you have to adept your driving style from the ground up, you end up learning a wrong driving style, and I think this is very dangerous in the middle to long terms.
I love the honda because it's so pure. Not all that electronic shit in it....
Phillip
Originally posted by ursuppe
I love the honda because it's so pure. Not all that electronic shit in it....
Phillip
I love the honda because it's so pure. Not all that electronic shit in it....
Phillip

The trouble with traction control is it doesn't protect you from all eventualities as Triple H said, and it prevents you from learning to drive the car as it should be driven!
Originally posted by Cedric Tomkinson

The trouble with traction control is it doesn't protect you from all eventualities as Triple H said, and it prevents you from learning to drive the car as it should be driven!

The trouble with traction control is it doesn't protect you from all eventualities as Triple H said, and it prevents you from learning to drive the car as it should be driven!







To be one with the car is really what the S2000 is all about.