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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 4IGS2000
Okay russ, so you are saying every mugen equipped S2000 owner is a focking sucker?
Not at all and apparently you can't tell the difference between the product and the PR. Your transparent attempt to get Mugen CAI owners to jump in your mosh pit of misinformation and misquotes won't work. It didn't work when you attempted to slam the PRM intake months ago (during your alternative intake group buy offering) and it won't work now. I guess I can add you to the list of those who are completely missing the point of my first thread response above. Cdelena, your intake IS a work of art but you're not going to convince me it's worth $1200. Sorry. Not going to happen. It's MY .02. The fact that I feel so doesn't imply it's a piece of garbage. A $2000 titanium catback is a sight to behold but does the additional $1500 of same-diameter piping and pathway going to guarantee more horsepower? We all know that isn't true. The fact that others feel $1200 intakes and $2000 catbacks are worthy investments shouldn't mask over FACTS. I don't recall knocking the product (I'm sure it performs well at speed) rather the literature that accompanies it. Big difference. Why is this so hard to decipher?
If you want to call the bluff that Mugen rips people off and all their stuff is junk, call Scott at Kingmotorsports and tell him.
Where did I state Mugen products are junk? Reread my threads above and please point out where I wrote this. If you're going to discuss this, at least respond accurately. Why would I want to call Scott about anything? He is free to read my opinions above.
I dont understand how you can get so technical about it
That's a bad thing? Go visit the off topic forum if you find the above information boring. Maybe there is another "post if you're drunk" thread you can jump on. If you don't want to read WHY I think the way I do, why bother responding in the first place? Some folks might actually be interested in why I and apparently Hondata feel differently than Mugen, at least when it comes to effects of IAT.
Just like the PRM. Short Ram intakes are different that CAI. CAI draw air from the bottom of the car, cooler than the engine bay.
I hope you're not seriously attempting to explain how intakes work to me...I modified my first intake in 1978.
Yes, CAI air gets warmer as it reaches the throttle body because of the metal CAI pipes being in the engine. All the other short ram intakes suck air that is in the engine bay. Including the PRM.
Another attempt to sell your intakes I see. With $10 of ducting, the PRM will blow your $50 intake away but what this has to do with Intake Air Temps is beyond me. Long tubed CAI's get their power from reduced temp air but do so at the sacrifice of flow. Short ram intakes routintely have larger CFM #'s than long-tubed CAI systems. Like everything else in life, there is no free lunch. However, route some cleverly located ducting leading into a short ram and you have bridged the benefits of both styles. Without that ducting, such a short ram is less than it could be. I'd love for you to A/B my intake design against yours, that would be most entertaining (for me, since I already know the results) but it's getting old, these "my intake can beat up yours" threads. The topic is IAT.
Only the comptech is ducted to get air from the fender.
Wrong. Where is the ducting or additional plumbing? There isn't any. Like the K&N Aircharger kit for the S2000 and the PRM, Comptech's filter is placed NEAR the wheel well opening but there is no duct kit accompanying Comptech's intake. Without the additional plumbing or hose creating a "direct" path of air through the wheel well, that areas usefulness is minimal, if at all. Damn, do your homework. I spent five months last summer modifying various intakes and to think all I had to do was ask you?
I dont doubt that that CF plate works, but your logic for picking at Mugen is nonsense.
No, it's called common sense. The topic has NEVER been about their quality, only their claims. A year ago, when I first read their CAI literature and theories on IAT, the first thought that came to mind was, "hmmm, these #'s sound a bit more optimistic than normal, maybe I need to update my own homework." I did, and could find NO OTHER authority on intakes that agreed with Mugen's 10% factor. I'm supposed to turn my back on respected research contrary to Mugens because they have a freakin' wind tunnel?
Mugen make great stuff but it'd do the entire thread well for you to quote me accurately and stay on topic otherwise, you're wasting my time.
I apologize to site members if I come across short, but I'm getting tired of defending myself against those who feel it necessary to fabricate quotes or opinions in an attempt to defend an opinion different than mine. I crave discussions on stuff like this and certainly don't have any personal issues with Mugen but in the tuning community, especially when it comes to pushing ones products, import parts and accompanying "INCREASED HP!" claims are akin to golf club manufacturers boasting you'll be a single digit handicapper with their new club "technology." If we're talking about intakes and temps, I'm in, otherwise, this "my intake is better than yours" crap has been beaten to death.
And one last thought, it's GREAT for the community that Rick is taking on Nick's products. The heat shield should be a no-brainer in our engine bay and I'm looking forward to seeing how his rear single fascia comes out.
Well done you guys!
Okay russ, so you are saying every mugen equipped S2000 owner is a focking sucker?
Not at all and apparently you can't tell the difference between the product and the PR. Your transparent attempt to get Mugen CAI owners to jump in your mosh pit of misinformation and misquotes won't work. It didn't work when you attempted to slam the PRM intake months ago (during your alternative intake group buy offering) and it won't work now. I guess I can add you to the list of those who are completely missing the point of my first thread response above. Cdelena, your intake IS a work of art but you're not going to convince me it's worth $1200. Sorry. Not going to happen. It's MY .02. The fact that I feel so doesn't imply it's a piece of garbage. A $2000 titanium catback is a sight to behold but does the additional $1500 of same-diameter piping and pathway going to guarantee more horsepower? We all know that isn't true. The fact that others feel $1200 intakes and $2000 catbacks are worthy investments shouldn't mask over FACTS. I don't recall knocking the product (I'm sure it performs well at speed) rather the literature that accompanies it. Big difference. Why is this so hard to decipher?
If you want to call the bluff that Mugen rips people off and all their stuff is junk, call Scott at Kingmotorsports and tell him.
Where did I state Mugen products are junk? Reread my threads above and please point out where I wrote this. If you're going to discuss this, at least respond accurately. Why would I want to call Scott about anything? He is free to read my opinions above.
I dont understand how you can get so technical about it
That's a bad thing? Go visit the off topic forum if you find the above information boring. Maybe there is another "post if you're drunk" thread you can jump on. If you don't want to read WHY I think the way I do, why bother responding in the first place? Some folks might actually be interested in why I and apparently Hondata feel differently than Mugen, at least when it comes to effects of IAT.
Just like the PRM. Short Ram intakes are different that CAI. CAI draw air from the bottom of the car, cooler than the engine bay.
I hope you're not seriously attempting to explain how intakes work to me...I modified my first intake in 1978.
Yes, CAI air gets warmer as it reaches the throttle body because of the metal CAI pipes being in the engine. All the other short ram intakes suck air that is in the engine bay. Including the PRM.
Another attempt to sell your intakes I see. With $10 of ducting, the PRM will blow your $50 intake away but what this has to do with Intake Air Temps is beyond me. Long tubed CAI's get their power from reduced temp air but do so at the sacrifice of flow. Short ram intakes routintely have larger CFM #'s than long-tubed CAI systems. Like everything else in life, there is no free lunch. However, route some cleverly located ducting leading into a short ram and you have bridged the benefits of both styles. Without that ducting, such a short ram is less than it could be. I'd love for you to A/B my intake design against yours, that would be most entertaining (for me, since I already know the results) but it's getting old, these "my intake can beat up yours" threads. The topic is IAT.
Only the comptech is ducted to get air from the fender.
Wrong. Where is the ducting or additional plumbing? There isn't any. Like the K&N Aircharger kit for the S2000 and the PRM, Comptech's filter is placed NEAR the wheel well opening but there is no duct kit accompanying Comptech's intake. Without the additional plumbing or hose creating a "direct" path of air through the wheel well, that areas usefulness is minimal, if at all. Damn, do your homework. I spent five months last summer modifying various intakes and to think all I had to do was ask you?
I dont doubt that that CF plate works, but your logic for picking at Mugen is nonsense.
No, it's called common sense. The topic has NEVER been about their quality, only their claims. A year ago, when I first read their CAI literature and theories on IAT, the first thought that came to mind was, "hmmm, these #'s sound a bit more optimistic than normal, maybe I need to update my own homework." I did, and could find NO OTHER authority on intakes that agreed with Mugen's 10% factor. I'm supposed to turn my back on respected research contrary to Mugens because they have a freakin' wind tunnel?
Mugen make great stuff but it'd do the entire thread well for you to quote me accurately and stay on topic otherwise, you're wasting my time.
I apologize to site members if I come across short, but I'm getting tired of defending myself against those who feel it necessary to fabricate quotes or opinions in an attempt to defend an opinion different than mine. I crave discussions on stuff like this and certainly don't have any personal issues with Mugen but in the tuning community, especially when it comes to pushing ones products, import parts and accompanying "INCREASED HP!" claims are akin to golf club manufacturers boasting you'll be a single digit handicapper with their new club "technology." If we're talking about intakes and temps, I'm in, otherwise, this "my intake is better than yours" crap has been beaten to death.
And one last thought, it's GREAT for the community that Rick is taking on Nick's products. The heat shield should be a no-brainer in our engine bay and I'm looking forward to seeing how his rear single fascia comes out.
Well done you guys!
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To everyone with orders in process with ZTEC -- I just got an IM from Nick and it looks like the conversion between Nick and Rick is going to go well. The team of Nick and Rick should be a good one. Thanks Nick for the response! 
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Wow, I was curious to see this thread and this is what I find! I never meant to cause this with a quote from Mugen, Sorry Guys!
The shield is meant to supplement which ever intake you have and help prevent heatsoak not be a magical drop in temperature.
I have talked to and even done business with almost everyone on this thread and I have to say you guys are really great people with very strong opinions and I love the passion we have for life and our cars!
I am happy to be a part of this team with Rick and his gang and hope to see some of you guys at some of the events!
Nick
The shield is meant to supplement which ever intake you have and help prevent heatsoak not be a magical drop in temperature.
I have talked to and even done business with almost everyone on this thread and I have to say you guys are really great people with very strong opinions and I love the passion we have for life and our cars!
I am happy to be a part of this team with Rick and his gang and hope to see some of you guys at some of the events!
Nick
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From: Partwhoresville
Originally posted by cdelena
Rick announced some new products which look good, mentioned a Mugen statement and Russ wants to tell you their intake is not worth the money. I want you to know that I have tried four intakes and the Mugen is the one I will leave on my car. As for the heat shield, it is a fine looking piece but is no substitute for a CAI.
Rick announced some new products which look good, mentioned a Mugen statement and Russ wants to tell you their intake is not worth the money. I want you to know that I have tried four intakes and the Mugen is the one I will leave on my car. As for the heat shield, it is a fine looking piece but is no substitute for a CAI.
Rick and Nzaizar your CF heatshield looks great, i would buy it if i still had my S2000!
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From: knoxville, TN
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rick Hesel
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Yes, we'll be adding the single outlet cap very soon, as well as the camera mount, which is a beautiful piece of work, with outstanding quality.
Our 4.44 gear installer, Keith Nappi, has moved to Arizona, unfortunately, but we can also strongly recommend Curry's Auto Service in Sterling, Virginia, 571 522-1002.
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Yes, we'll be adding the single outlet cap very soon, as well as the camera mount, which is a beautiful piece of work, with outstanding quality.
Our 4.44 gear installer, Keith Nappi, has moved to Arizona, unfortunately, but we can also strongly recommend Curry's Auto Service in Sterling, Virginia, 571 522-1002.
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I have the heat shield with my stock air box...I bought it when Nick first sold it...
I bought it because at some point in future there will be a mugen intake under my hood
now, what i can say is this:
prior to installing heat shield..i went for a hard drive..parked car, opened hood, and put my hand on back of air box...damn thing was HOT
after car cooled I installed heat shield went for hard drive, parked car and touched back of airbox....it was at BEST warm
the back side of heat shield(closest to engine) was VERY hot...so thought it may not be scientific...the shield does its job
and since back side of mugen intake will be roughly in same location as stock box it will work with it also
Great product..well worth the money...and it looks really cool too
Hey Rick...my heat shield is a red fiber weave..since you want one on your car.. and to be honest I should have just got the basic black color....
Want to trade??
OR any one want to trade my Red CF weave for the basic Black??
let me know
I bought it because at some point in future there will be a mugen intake under my hood
now, what i can say is this:
prior to installing heat shield..i went for a hard drive..parked car, opened hood, and put my hand on back of air box...damn thing was HOT
after car cooled I installed heat shield went for hard drive, parked car and touched back of airbox....it was at BEST warm
the back side of heat shield(closest to engine) was VERY hot...so thought it may not be scientific...the shield does its job
and since back side of mugen intake will be roughly in same location as stock box it will work with it also
Great product..well worth the money...and it looks really cool too
Hey Rick...my heat shield is a red fiber weave..since you want one on your car.. and to be honest I should have just got the basic black color....
Want to trade??
OR any one want to trade my Red CF weave for the basic Black??
let me know