That *is* hard to believe... As a longtime member, I've seen quite a few changes. Some of my buds have moved on (like Xviper), which is a disappointment. But overall, I still like S2Ki. The socialization aspect (as dean said) has been a major benefit to me. I've made some very close friends from my association with this site. Having been a founder and first CO of the Vintage Forum, my loyalty is there. And I think it has the reputation of being the most civilized forum on the site. But I also check in frequently to S2000 Talk, Mid-Atlantic, Carolinas, and Photography. The site is definitely skewing younger these days, which is not necessarily a bad thing. Anyone can be a jerk. I do think we could treat the newbies better, not banging them over the head about using the search function, etc. Patience is a virtue and perspective is the key. Let's keep it fun, Y'all!

 

Was the guy the entire reason? Absolutely not. But he was the final straw (X referred to him that way in his final posts)...the culminating trigger representative of a deteriorating environment.

The classic, and telling, example of an environment gone wrong.

That last drop of water that broke the surface tension on a glass filled past the brim with essence of mindless drivel.

 

You seem to be quite informed regarding these events.

Rather than simply saying how wrong I am, how about tell us what is right?

The truth will set you free.

 

Are you kidding me, someone said this place was a better place now, give your head a shake. It is full of garbage and misinformation now.

As for xviper, people gave him the title of guru, that respect was "earned" so don't say that it isn't.

He also hasn't regretted anything, surely not coming back to this place.
Those who bash him should realize that they are lucky that he hasn't taken off his posts, lets see you do an oil change now??

 

As hard as this thread is hard to bite for a lot of older members, it's good to see happening. Rather then asking why S2ki.com has declined, rather ask, what can be done to save it?

Does one man (XViper) make that huge a difference? It does. So irreplaceable that the forum dies? Very possible. Can its death by one member be prevented? Definately...

 

My point is not that I know it all, I definetly know more than you about this subject and it probably has to do with being around here a little longer. And no I'm not going to sit here and summarize what you have not mentioned.

My point is that generalizations and absolutes are unrealistic and misleading to those reading it for the first time.

 

One guy doesn't make or break a forum. The UTH section is still there and will be for a long time. Moderators burn out and flip out, that's what happened to Xviper. As a moderator there is simply no excuse to start calling people names and breaking the rules that you are supposed to be enforcing.

You sound like a bunch of old guys saying how great WWII was. There isn't that much difference between today's S2000 forum and the way it was 5 years ago. In many ways it's better today. There were noobs back then too. People flamed each other. People spread incorrect information.

 

Give some examples of how it's any different that it was before, because you're seriously in denial if you think that everything was all roses here at any time in the past.

 

It would have been better if X could have enforced a kick/ban of the cartoon guy and his band of misfits.

And so friends, the cartoon guy will flourish here with new exciting cartoons (perhaps #10002322 of #100299948858) yet X will not.

If you want to license some fresh cartoon material, come here, but if you want access to one of a kind S expertise you don't?

What kinda message is that?

 

I like the site and will continue to be a member as long as I have the S. True there is more misinformation now than before, but thats due to the fact there are a lot more posts. Back in the early days there was misinformation too , it was just harder to spot because most people did not know any better. This is the WEB and there is BS floating around everywhere, why would S2Ki be any different?

People will come and people will go, thats just the way it is. When they go I wish them the best, but it does effect me enough to make me beg someone to stay or comeback (no dissrespect to Xviper or Steve C). I think everything works itself out out in the end anyway .

The best thing about this site from my experience is the great people that are here and there are a lot of new people showing up that are really good people too! Just cause someone has less than a year on the boards does not mean that they are clueless to the S2000 or to tuning. It simply means they are new to the boards. I think some of the old timers should cut them some slack unless they do things that warrant rude comebacks and behavior (not talking about moderators I think most of you do a pretty good job at remaining neutral).

I knew this was the site for me when sherwin & dreamcation passed away, seeing the way so many members and guests rallied together to lend a hand to their families some started threads to remember them and for the familes to have as mementos. In So Cal we had a giant meet to try and help Wendy and the kids out by raising some money when Travis passed away (regional forums stepped up and did whatever they could too!).

Those types of things are not as commen as the should be and even less common when its an internet forum composed of a bunch of strangers! With all the BS, when we really have to, this forum sticks together