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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 12:22 PM
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Get gears,+ an OVERDRIVE.!!!
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 12:25 PM
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Go with the gears first since they are the cheaper option... once you stop having fun there, go with some forced induction.

Supercharger applications are infinitely more simple than the turbo application, which is partly why it is very popular. Given equal peak power, however, the turbo car is going to be significantly faster because it provides for greater area under the Hp and Torque curves than does the supercharger.

That being said, if I ever go with FI it's just going to be the Comptech SC with AC because it's as simple as install and go, no tuning required. Throw in some gears and the other basic bolt-ons and you have a very fast car, no buts about it.
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Emil St-Hilaire,Feb 9 2006, 01:04 PM
O.K.let's get this straight:
a-)-Stock,well driven S2K = 13.7 sec. 1/4 mile.
b-)-With 4.57,again,well driven,and otherwise stock,= 13.2 sec.1/4 mile.
c-)-With 4.57 +I/H/E,=13 sec.flat,1/4 mile.
d-)-With S.C.(at 5-7-p.s.i.)and otherwise stock,=13.10 sec.1/4 mile.
You can extrapolate the rest.!!!(SC+gears+I/H/E,etc...)
A Turbo could be faster,depending,on how many p.s.i.of boost,you run.!!!
Have a good Day.!!!
Ummm where did you get this info? For one there is a big difference between 5 and 7psi, so the 7psi is faster. And also, there are some that run sub 13 with 7psi (stock Vortech).
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sahtt,Feb 9 2006, 02:58 PM
You add ZERO power with gears, you just 'use' it more effectively, whereas with the SC or turbo or NOS you are pushing significantly more power from your drivetrain. Don't get me wrong, gearing is great, but lets not get carried away as if it is magical power.
No its not magic, but they are comparable to a point in terms of acceleration.

Compare a 4.77 geared car with basic bolt i/h/e
to a Basic supercharger setup and it'll be close up to 100. From that point forward it'll be a joke.

The S/C power may peak at 90 over stock, but that's not across the powerband. For the first 6k of acceleration the geared car will be well ahead and won't be passed until high 90-100. You have a 16.5% gearing advantage across the board from 0 rpm to 9k. The S/C has a narrow window of advantage with most of the power coming on at 7k and above. Anything below this they are equal or the geared car has an advantage.

4.77 geared cars with bolt ons have hit mid to low 13's. That's about the same for a basic s/c setup that I've seen. Haven't seen too many people boasting about high 12 second s/c cars. So a geared car hitting say 13.2-13.5 vs a s/c car hitting 13-13.3 I'd say is pretty comparible.

On the street while cruising the S/C will blow the doors off a geared car b/c the RPM's are already up and the power can be used.

Its a fair comparison for standing start acceleration up to 100. Anything else and the advantage is to the S/C.

Also, if you have money to burn, why wouldn't people get gears and S/C. Makes no sense to me.
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 12:58 PM
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"On the street while cruising the S/C will blow the doors off a geared car b/c the RPM's are already up and the power can be used.

Its a fair comparison for standing start acceleration up to 100. Anything else and the advantage is to the S/C."

That I agree with for the most part.

If $ wasn't an option I'd rather keep the stock gearing. It is easier for road racing and less strenuous due to less shifting. For a street car with limited funds a 4.56 and bolt-ons makes a fun car to drive.
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 03:48 PM
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Stickier tires help acceleration among other things...
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 04:41 PM
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losing a few stones
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bkmagby,Feb 9 2006, 04:11 PM
Ok, I think I need to clear up my question just a bit. I want to increase the acceleration performance of the S2000. Not for drag racing, but just for the rush of accelerating through the gears with the top down and having fun. Also, to make me feel as if the car will remain more competitive in the years to come. I would prefer not to install the lower gears, as this will affect my highway performance by raising the cruise rpm. So, if a Super Charger can give me all the acceleration of a car with 4.57, or 4.77 gears, but not affect my cruise rpm, than this would be preferable to me. If the Super Charger would not give me as much acceleration as the gears knowing that it cost much more than just gears, I would suck it up and get the gears and hope the increased rpm would not bother me on long freeway trips. But if the Super Charger would give better acceleration than the gears, coupled with the lower cruise rpm, then that would be worth the extra cost of the Super Charger to me. I am not interested really in doing both.

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Bkmagby, it seems to me that you are answering your own question.

"I would prefer not to install the lower gears, as this will affect my highway performance by raising the cruise rpm."

You also say, "just for the rush of accelerating through the gears with the top down and having fun."

A supercharged S2000 is about as much fun as you can have with your clothes on. I've got a Comptech SC/AC and am running stock boost, so my car is as mild as FI gets. There is a little more pull starting at 3,000 RPM and enough to notice by 6k when VTEC engages. At that point the difference is impossible to miss, and between 6k and redline the boost and power build at a satisfying rate. First gear rips to redline so quickly that the three beeps from my shift beeper almost sound like a continuous tone (and without the beeper I hit the rev limiter all too often). Running to redline through the gears gets the car to 135+ quickly enough for such speeds to be usable (on rare occasions) even with the top down. If you want to impress or scare the crap out of your friends just accelerate gently to 7,500 RPM in second, level off, and then punch it. The car has good boost by then and will leap forward quickly enough to scare the hell out of most people, and it leaves most thinking that the car is a lot faster than it actually is. A supercharger transforms the car, and you'll love it; Plus, you already know that you really don't want lower gearing.

Am I wrong?
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 05:04 PM
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damn i want a sc now....

so my solution,
i will from this date take donation that will go toward my sc fund or some one can donate a complete sc kit to me. pm me for paypal accout or more info
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Old Feb 9, 2006 | 05:20 PM
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Your right, I do want the super charger, but I would have lived with the gears if they were quicker and cheaper than a super charger. If not, then to me a Super Charger is definitely worth the extra money, plus I don't have to make any sacrifices as far as freeway cruising is concerned. Again, if the gears would have been quicker than the super charger then I would have learned to live with them, but if the super charger is indeed quicker than I would much prefer it.

So is the consensus that the super charger is quicker than gears? Or at least equal to a car with 4.77's intake and exhaust? If so, then I would prefer the super charger for providing the same acceleration as the gears, with out the sacrifice in freeway cruise rpm.
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