What makes the biggest difference in acceleration?
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A friend of mine had a my02 w/vortech and he took it to the track he said he got a 13sec flat 1/4 mile.he took a spin in my car and said he felt the car was strong so...since i have a lil more torque i am guessing i should be good for 12.9.by the way i'm running stock boost.
I have been in a car with the 4.77 gears+vortech and it didn't seem too much faster then my car. well atleast not to the point were i said damn this car is fast/faster then mine.
i say get the gears first because they are cheaper,if you still think you need more power/be faster get the S/C if money is not an issue...
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I have been in a car with the 4.77 gears+vortech and it didn't seem too much faster then my car. well atleast not to the point were i said damn this car is fast/faster then mine.
i say get the gears first because they are cheaper,if you still think you need more power/be faster get the S/C if money is not an issue...
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Originally Posted by kinetica,Feb 10 2006, 09:45 AM
^^Keeping up with is not accelerating faster than. And I am also pretty sure 5.5psi will not give you 300whp. You will need closer to 7psi.
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The biggest difference in acceleraton will come from power and weight. You can always go forced induction, either supercharger or turbo, and try to drop a few pounds (wheels, exhaust, etc.). Gears will also help out in a SC'd application. 
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Originally Posted by bkmagby,Feb 9 2006, 03:38 PM
For me price is not an issue, I would just spend the money on something else. :-) I just wanted to know, gear's or Super Charger.
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SC and gears are going to be totally different; I really think it's like comparing apples and oranges.
Torque is fun, and gears yield more torque multiplication, at the expense of more noise on the highway. In general, with most cars, gears are one of the first things one should consider, because they always represent a big bang for the buck. However, the F20C is a 2l I4, and it's already pretty buzzy/noisy at cruising speeds. Still, gears represent a big bang for the buck, and we vary in our tolerance to noise at highway speeds.
A centrifugal supercharger is a completely different animal. Between idle and 3k the car is unchanged, except for the whistle of the supercharger. Between 3k and 6k the boost gradually grows to the point where it's actually noticable, but it's still not enough of a difference to change the basic character of the car. If it weren't for the whistle you could drive around all day and never realize that the car was anything more than a stock S2000 with a slightly improved pull as 6k approaches. I'd bet that most of us do the bulk of our driving below 6k, where gears make a big difference and CSC makes a small difference ... BUT, mods aren't for "the bulk of our driving," they're for the times when we're hauling asp. At 6k the CSC car pulls with gusto, and as the revs climb the boost climbs so that the rate of acceleration just keeps increasing all the way to the fuel cutoff. If you light the tires in first you have to shift into second as soon as the tires get grip, because redline comes up so quickly. If you punch the car in first at 7.5k, you'd better be ready to shift right away, because you are going to hit redline almost immediately. Six to nine k goes by so quickly in first that it's amazing, and a hard launch is a whole new ball game. Shifting into second at redline brings on another round of boost that starts strong and continues to grow all the way to redline - the pull is not as hard as in first, but it is still very impressive, and redline will sneak up on you if you aren't paying attention. The shift into third keeps the engine in VTEC, and the pull to redline slow enough to notice things like road speed. The speedometer is skipping numbers because it can't keep up with the changing velocity. The pull REMAINS strong through fourth, pulling the car through the 100 MPH mark like it was nothing. I actually hit the fuel cutoff once in fourth (right after my SC was installed, but before I got my shift beeper). After fourth you hit fifth, and even though you're flying down the road at over 100 MPH, fifth still delivers a hard pull that gets harder as redline approaches. The last warning beep from my shift beeper sounds at just over 130, and the car is pulling so hard that passengers start wondering if it's ever going to stop.
Then sixth, and it's just insane, because the car still pulls hard enough to feel the acceleration in top gear, at already insane speeds.
Gears are a big bang for the buck, at the expense of noise on the highway. A supercharger transforms the car.
I'm sure that a CSC car is a puppy dog compared to a high boost turbocharged car, but it's a monster compared to a stock S2000, and while gears are fun, there is no real comparison to FI. Totally different animals.
I would NOT do both at the same time. In fact, that's the very choice I made. The SC is a blast, and I'll reconsider changing the gears and/or LSD when I have to open the diff for other work.
Torque is fun, and gears yield more torque multiplication, at the expense of more noise on the highway. In general, with most cars, gears are one of the first things one should consider, because they always represent a big bang for the buck. However, the F20C is a 2l I4, and it's already pretty buzzy/noisy at cruising speeds. Still, gears represent a big bang for the buck, and we vary in our tolerance to noise at highway speeds.
A centrifugal supercharger is a completely different animal. Between idle and 3k the car is unchanged, except for the whistle of the supercharger. Between 3k and 6k the boost gradually grows to the point where it's actually noticable, but it's still not enough of a difference to change the basic character of the car. If it weren't for the whistle you could drive around all day and never realize that the car was anything more than a stock S2000 with a slightly improved pull as 6k approaches. I'd bet that most of us do the bulk of our driving below 6k, where gears make a big difference and CSC makes a small difference ... BUT, mods aren't for "the bulk of our driving," they're for the times when we're hauling asp. At 6k the CSC car pulls with gusto, and as the revs climb the boost climbs so that the rate of acceleration just keeps increasing all the way to the fuel cutoff. If you light the tires in first you have to shift into second as soon as the tires get grip, because redline comes up so quickly. If you punch the car in first at 7.5k, you'd better be ready to shift right away, because you are going to hit redline almost immediately. Six to nine k goes by so quickly in first that it's amazing, and a hard launch is a whole new ball game. Shifting into second at redline brings on another round of boost that starts strong and continues to grow all the way to redline - the pull is not as hard as in first, but it is still very impressive, and redline will sneak up on you if you aren't paying attention. The shift into third keeps the engine in VTEC, and the pull to redline slow enough to notice things like road speed. The speedometer is skipping numbers because it can't keep up with the changing velocity. The pull REMAINS strong through fourth, pulling the car through the 100 MPH mark like it was nothing. I actually hit the fuel cutoff once in fourth (right after my SC was installed, but before I got my shift beeper). After fourth you hit fifth, and even though you're flying down the road at over 100 MPH, fifth still delivers a hard pull that gets harder as redline approaches. The last warning beep from my shift beeper sounds at just over 130, and the car is pulling so hard that passengers start wondering if it's ever going to stop.
Then sixth, and it's just insane, because the car still pulls hard enough to feel the acceleration in top gear, at already insane speeds.Gears are a big bang for the buck, at the expense of noise on the highway. A supercharger transforms the car.
I'm sure that a CSC car is a puppy dog compared to a high boost turbocharged car, but it's a monster compared to a stock S2000, and while gears are fun, there is no real comparison to FI. Totally different animals.
I would NOT do both at the same time. In fact, that's the very choice I made. The SC is a blast, and I'll reconsider changing the gears and/or LSD when I have to open the diff for other work.
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Originally Posted by RED MX5,Feb 10 2006, 11:33 AM
SC and gears are going to be totally different; I really think it's like comparing apples and oranges.
Torque is fun, and gears yield more torque multiplication, at the expense of more noise on the highway. In general, with most cars, gears are one of the first things one should consider, because they always represent a big bang for the buck. However, the F20C is a 2l I4, and it's already pretty buzzy/noisy at cruising speeds. Still, gears represent a big bang for the buck, and we vary in our tolerance to noise at highway speeds.
A centrifugal supercharger is a completely different animal. Between idle and 3k the car is unchanged, except for the whistle of the supercharger. Between 3k and 6k the boost gradually grows to the point where it's actually noticable, but it's still not enough of a difference to change the basic character of the car. If it weren't for the whistle you could drive around all day and never realize that the car was anything more than a stock S2000 with a slightly improved pull as 6k approaches. I'd bet that most of us do the bulk of our driving below 6k, where gears make a big difference and CSC makes a small difference ... BUT, mods aren't for "the bulk of our driving," they're for the times when we're hauling asp. At 6k the CSC car pulls with gusto, and as the revs climb the boost climbs so that the rate of acceleration just keeps increasing all the way to the fuel cutoff. If you light the tires in first you have to shift into second as soon as the tires get grip, because redline comes up so quickly. If you punch the car in first at 7.5k, you'd better be ready to shift right away, because you are going to hit redline almost immediately. Six to nine k goes by so quickly in first that it's amazing, and a hard launch is a whole new ball game. Shifting into second at redline brings on another round of boost that starts strong and continues to grow all the way to redline - the pull is not as hard as in first, but it is still very impressive, and redline will sneak up on you if you aren't paying attention. The shift into third keeps the engine in VTEC, and the pull to redline slow enough to notice things like road speed. The speedometer is skipping numbers because it can't keep up with the changing velocity. The pull REMAINS strong through fourth, pulling the car through the 100 MPH mark like it was nothing. I actually hit the fuel cutoff once in fourth (right after my SC was installed, but before I got my shift beeper). After fourth you hit fifth, and even though you're flying down the road at over 100 MPH, fifth still delivers a hard pull that gets harder as redline approaches. The last warning beep from my shift beeper sounds at just over 130, and the car is pulling so hard that passengers start wondering if it's ever going to stop. Then sixth, and it's just insane, because the car still pulls hard enough to feel the acceleration in top gear, at already insane speeds.
Gears are a big bang for the buck, at the expense of noise on the highway. A supercharger transforms the car.
I'm sure that a CSC car is a puppy dog compared to a high boost turbocharged car, but it's a monster compared to a stock S2000, and while gears are fun, there is no real comparison to FI. Totally different animals.
I would NOT do both at the same time. In fact, that's the very choice I made. The SC is a blast, and I'll reconsider changing the gears and/or LSD when I have to open the diff for other work.
Torque is fun, and gears yield more torque multiplication, at the expense of more noise on the highway. In general, with most cars, gears are one of the first things one should consider, because they always represent a big bang for the buck. However, the F20C is a 2l I4, and it's already pretty buzzy/noisy at cruising speeds. Still, gears represent a big bang for the buck, and we vary in our tolerance to noise at highway speeds.
A centrifugal supercharger is a completely different animal. Between idle and 3k the car is unchanged, except for the whistle of the supercharger. Between 3k and 6k the boost gradually grows to the point where it's actually noticable, but it's still not enough of a difference to change the basic character of the car. If it weren't for the whistle you could drive around all day and never realize that the car was anything more than a stock S2000 with a slightly improved pull as 6k approaches. I'd bet that most of us do the bulk of our driving below 6k, where gears make a big difference and CSC makes a small difference ... BUT, mods aren't for "the bulk of our driving," they're for the times when we're hauling asp. At 6k the CSC car pulls with gusto, and as the revs climb the boost climbs so that the rate of acceleration just keeps increasing all the way to the fuel cutoff. If you light the tires in first you have to shift into second as soon as the tires get grip, because redline comes up so quickly. If you punch the car in first at 7.5k, you'd better be ready to shift right away, because you are going to hit redline almost immediately. Six to nine k goes by so quickly in first that it's amazing, and a hard launch is a whole new ball game. Shifting into second at redline brings on another round of boost that starts strong and continues to grow all the way to redline - the pull is not as hard as in first, but it is still very impressive, and redline will sneak up on you if you aren't paying attention. The shift into third keeps the engine in VTEC, and the pull to redline slow enough to notice things like road speed. The speedometer is skipping numbers because it can't keep up with the changing velocity. The pull REMAINS strong through fourth, pulling the car through the 100 MPH mark like it was nothing. I actually hit the fuel cutoff once in fourth (right after my SC was installed, but before I got my shift beeper). After fourth you hit fifth, and even though you're flying down the road at over 100 MPH, fifth still delivers a hard pull that gets harder as redline approaches. The last warning beep from my shift beeper sounds at just over 130, and the car is pulling so hard that passengers start wondering if it's ever going to stop.
Then sixth, and it's just insane, because the car still pulls hard enough to feel the acceleration in top gear, at already insane speeds.Gears are a big bang for the buck, at the expense of noise on the highway. A supercharger transforms the car.
I'm sure that a CSC car is a puppy dog compared to a high boost turbocharged car, but it's a monster compared to a stock S2000, and while gears are fun, there is no real comparison to FI. Totally different animals.
I would NOT do both at the same time. In fact, that's the very choice I made. The SC is a blast, and I'll reconsider changing the gears and/or LSD when I have to open the diff for other work.
100% and really appreciate your input! I forgot to mention that my car will be a 2006 that I am about to pre-order from hardtopguy. He will also be installing the Comptech Super Charger and Comptech After Cat Exhaust before I pick up the car. Can