what would do in this situation?
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Originally Posted by foxy_s2k,May 17 2009, 11:34 PM
To be fair, if the car is not wildly out of control, gently (smoothly) lifting off and controlling the oversteer is pretty safe, however, this is risky, and often can cause you to 'snap' into line, and end up swinging the other way.
It's one of the hardest things to do, when you're going into a corner and you can feel it start to edge out, to fight the instinct to slow down, and smoothly apply more throttle.
The key to driving a car like the S, isn't particularly WHAT control inputs you make, it's how smoothly you input them. It grips like a lizard until you do something unpredictable and throw the balance of the car.
You don't need to take your baby to a race track and risk spinning, crashing, otherwise wearing out your car, you can go to any go-kart track and learn the exact some techniques. In fact, once you've tamed an oversteering go-kart, the S will be childs play, go-karts are FAR twitchier than ANY road car.
It's one of the hardest things to do, when you're going into a corner and you can feel it start to edge out, to fight the instinct to slow down, and smoothly apply more throttle.
The key to driving a car like the S, isn't particularly WHAT control inputs you make, it's how smoothly you input them. It grips like a lizard until you do something unpredictable and throw the balance of the car.
You don't need to take your baby to a race track and risk spinning, crashing, otherwise wearing out your car, you can go to any go-kart track and learn the exact some techniques. In fact, once you've tamed an oversteering go-kart, the S will be childs play, go-karts are FAR twitchier than ANY road car.
Also, if you're not pushing hard enough to break the rear end loose, lifting mid-turn for a moment with the suspension well loaded will induce trailing throttle oversteer and tighten the line very accurately. It gives you another method of steering the car very smoothly in tight quarters. I've never had a street car that does this so well as the S2K. I use it all the time.
Neither technique is recommended for newcomers to RWD.
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Originally Posted by SpudRacer,May 18 2009, 06:14 PM
Actually, I regularly play this way several times a day. I love the way you can bring the S the the limit of traction in a corner and then lift a bit to break the rear loose and go right into counter steer with some throttle and voila! You've got a very controllable mini drift through the corner. The car is very predictable.
Also, if you're not pushing hard enough to break the rear end loose, lifting mid-turn for a moment with the suspension well loaded will induce trailing throttle oversteer and tighten the line very accurately. It gives you another method of steering the car very smoothly in tight quarters. I've never had a street car that does this so well as the S2K. I use it all the time.
Neither technique is recommended for newcomers to RWD.
Also, if you're not pushing hard enough to break the rear end loose, lifting mid-turn for a moment with the suspension well loaded will induce trailing throttle oversteer and tighten the line very accurately. It gives you another method of steering the car very smoothly in tight quarters. I've never had a street car that does this so well as the S2K. I use it all the time.
Neither technique is recommended for newcomers to RWD.
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Originally Posted by gaus,May 17 2009, 10:45 PM
Some gokarting wouldn't hurt either.
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I'd say know the theory behind the car's dynamics first before you get familiar through autocrossing. Know why the car does what it does when you do something. This way, you will improve faster.
Always keep in mind and focus on the car's weight distribution. The car's weight shifts to the front whenever you brake, to the rear whenever you accelerate, and leans to the left when you turn right. The tire that gets more weight gets more traction, and the tire that loses weight, gets less traction. This is why it is bad to decelerate in any way when the rear is already sliding and needs more traction (whether braking or lifting the gas), as it will transfer weight off the rear tires, taking away its grip.
What happens if you accelerate then? Well it will transfer weight to the rear, giving it some extra traction, but remember that each tire has its own limit. If the rear tire is using 80% of its traction holding the car through a turn, then that means it has only 20% left for acceleration. So the goal is to modulate the throttle in a way to find balance between not exceeding the tire's limit too much, and enough to keep the weight shifting to the front.
Note: The car will snap into another drift into the other direction of the rear tires gain traction too suddenly and if the front tires have too much countersteer angle. Just keep this in mind. It is nearly impossible to be able to predict this unless you get some practice.
All this must be done in perfect coordination with countersteering. ONLY practice can give you a feel for your car. The general rule is to be able to PREDICT, not react. Once you get to that level, then you can safely drive a RWD car. And the only way to do that is to go to some autocross or drifting sessions. For now, be extra careful. I've seen a lot of owners hit the curbs in their cars (including mine by the previous owner), and I don't want to see that happen to another one of my fellow S2K drivers
Always keep in mind and focus on the car's weight distribution. The car's weight shifts to the front whenever you brake, to the rear whenever you accelerate, and leans to the left when you turn right. The tire that gets more weight gets more traction, and the tire that loses weight, gets less traction. This is why it is bad to decelerate in any way when the rear is already sliding and needs more traction (whether braking or lifting the gas), as it will transfer weight off the rear tires, taking away its grip.
What happens if you accelerate then? Well it will transfer weight to the rear, giving it some extra traction, but remember that each tire has its own limit. If the rear tire is using 80% of its traction holding the car through a turn, then that means it has only 20% left for acceleration. So the goal is to modulate the throttle in a way to find balance between not exceeding the tire's limit too much, and enough to keep the weight shifting to the front.
Note: The car will snap into another drift into the other direction of the rear tires gain traction too suddenly and if the front tires have too much countersteer angle. Just keep this in mind. It is nearly impossible to be able to predict this unless you get some practice.
All this must be done in perfect coordination with countersteering. ONLY practice can give you a feel for your car. The general rule is to be able to PREDICT, not react. Once you get to that level, then you can safely drive a RWD car. And the only way to do that is to go to some autocross or drifting sessions. For now, be extra careful. I've seen a lot of owners hit the curbs in their cars (including mine by the previous owner), and I don't want to see that happen to another one of my fellow S2K drivers
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