What's the best year?
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Originally Posted by myhui' timestamp='1384499294' post='22878240
I heard that MY2000-2001 runs the richest air fuel ratio from the stock ECU.
If you don't mod your car, that gives you the lowest combustion temperature, hence the best longevity.
If you improve air flow through the engine via mods, then you end up with more power without any ECU changes because the AFR will move closer to the ideal ratio and the max power point is just before you reach that ratio (the power does go down when you are right at that ratio though).
If you don't mod your car, that gives you the lowest combustion temperature, hence the best longevity.
If you improve air flow through the engine via mods, then you end up with more power without any ECU changes because the AFR will move closer to the ideal ratio and the max power point is just before you reach that ratio (the power does go down when you are right at that ratio though).
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Originally Posted by g0g3tt4' timestamp='1384515458' post='22878387
People are going to try and sell you on 9k rpm, fastest around the track, easiest to tune, VSA, DBW.... blah blah blah. What I can tell you is this. Buy the one that feels the best to you, because at the end of the day its what you'll enjoy the most. Joy is what you're looking for, find the one that brings you the most. For me it was the 03'. The 04/05 just didn't feel that good to me and I didn't try the 06+. I think they got it right in the AP1. Yeah almost all cars improve over time but that's not everything. I'd much rather have a 70' Stingray than a 2013 Corvette. It can't hold a candle to the 2013 but a car is more than the sum of its parts...
I've had a '00 and currently own an '05. I love my GPW AP2 but truthfully, I enjoyed driving my '00 better.
In addition to what others have said, one thing I was looking for too when I was in the market (both times) was the 2003: 9k + STOCK glass rear window.
Yes, many people have had to replace the soft top in their '00-'02's with glass because they were about ~10-12 years old at the time but I just wanted a stock model that had both of these options.
If any of you do own an AP1 with plastic still, I can tell you it's a gutwrenching sound when that %^*&ing plastic gives way. It's not a not-so-friendly sound of "hello. mother %^&*er... you owe me $600-$1,000!" and I
and yes there was a clear, distinct "POP"
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Originally Posted by yamahaSHO' timestamp='1384542680' post='22879057
[quote name='myhui' timestamp='1384499294' post='22878240']
I heard that MY2000-2001 runs the richest air fuel ratio from the stock ECU.
If you don't mod your car, that gives you the lowest combustion temperature, hence the best longevity.
If you improve air flow through the engine via mods, then you end up with more power without any ECU changes because the AFR will move closer to the ideal ratio and the max power point is just before you reach that ratio (the power does go down when you are right at that ratio though).
I heard that MY2000-2001 runs the richest air fuel ratio from the stock ECU.
If you don't mod your car, that gives you the lowest combustion temperature, hence the best longevity.
If you improve air flow through the engine via mods, then you end up with more power without any ECU changes because the AFR will move closer to the ideal ratio and the max power point is just before you reach that ratio (the power does go down when you are right at that ratio though).
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At the marginal amount we are talking about, don't equate that to making the engine last longer. If it's not knocking and the engine is running cool, less fuel is desired. I suppose I don't understand combustion at all, I only tune cars...
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Originally Posted by AP1Driver' timestamp='1384718094' post='22881299
[quote name='yamahaSHO' timestamp='1384542680' post='22879057']
[quote name='myhui' timestamp='1384499294' post='22878240']
I heard that MY2000-2001 runs the richest air fuel ratio from the stock ECU.
If you don't mod your car, that gives you the lowest combustion temperature, hence the best longevity.
If you improve air flow through the engine via mods, then you end up with more power without any ECU changes because the AFR will move closer to the ideal ratio and the max power point is just before you reach that ratio (the power does go down when you are right at that ratio though).
[quote name='myhui' timestamp='1384499294' post='22878240']
I heard that MY2000-2001 runs the richest air fuel ratio from the stock ECU.
If you don't mod your car, that gives you the lowest combustion temperature, hence the best longevity.
If you improve air flow through the engine via mods, then you end up with more power without any ECU changes because the AFR will move closer to the ideal ratio and the max power point is just before you reach that ratio (the power does go down when you are right at that ratio though).
[/quote]
At the marginal amount we are talking about, don't equate that to making the engine last longer. If it's not knocking and the engine is running cool, less fuel is desired. I suppose I don't understand combustion at all, I only tune cars...
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I'm happy for you... I didn't say anything about longetivity.
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Originally Posted by yamahaSHO' timestamp='1384721926' post='22881353
[quote name='AP1Driver' timestamp='1384718094' post='22881299']
[quote name='yamahaSHO' timestamp='1384542680' post='22879057']
[quote name='myhui' timestamp='1384499294' post='22878240']
I heard that MY2000-2001 runs the richest air fuel ratio from the stock ECU.
If you don't mod your car, that gives you the lowest combustion temperature, hence the best longevity.
If you improve air flow through the engine via mods, then you end up with more power without any ECU changes because the AFR will move closer to the ideal ratio and the max power point is just before you reach that ratio (the power does go down when you are right at that ratio though).
[quote name='yamahaSHO' timestamp='1384542680' post='22879057']
[quote name='myhui' timestamp='1384499294' post='22878240']
I heard that MY2000-2001 runs the richest air fuel ratio from the stock ECU.
If you don't mod your car, that gives you the lowest combustion temperature, hence the best longevity.
If you improve air flow through the engine via mods, then you end up with more power without any ECU changes because the AFR will move closer to the ideal ratio and the max power point is just before you reach that ratio (the power does go down when you are right at that ratio though).
[/quote]
At the marginal amount we are talking about, don't equate that to making the engine last longer. If it's not knocking and the engine is running cool, less fuel is desired. I suppose I don't understand combustion at all, I only tune cars...
[/quote]
I'm happy for you... I didn't say anything about longetivity.
[/quote]
That's what the initial post I quoted specifically referenced. Simple to understand if you understand forum quoting at all.
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Originally Posted by AP1Driver' timestamp='1384723419' post='22881387
[quote name='yamahaSHO' timestamp='1384721926' post='22881353']
[quote name='AP1Driver' timestamp='1384718094' post='22881299']
[quote name='yamahaSHO' timestamp='1384542680' post='22879057']
[quote name='myhui' timestamp='1384499294' post='22878240']
I heard that MY2000-2001 runs the richest air fuel ratio from the stock ECU.
If you don't mod your car, that gives you the lowest combustion temperature, hence the best longevity.
If you improve air flow through the engine via mods, then you end up with more power without any ECU changes because the AFR will move closer to the ideal ratio and the max power point is just before you reach that ratio (the power does go down when you are right at that ratio though).
[quote name='AP1Driver' timestamp='1384718094' post='22881299']
[quote name='yamahaSHO' timestamp='1384542680' post='22879057']
[quote name='myhui' timestamp='1384499294' post='22878240']
I heard that MY2000-2001 runs the richest air fuel ratio from the stock ECU.
If you don't mod your car, that gives you the lowest combustion temperature, hence the best longevity.
If you improve air flow through the engine via mods, then you end up with more power without any ECU changes because the AFR will move closer to the ideal ratio and the max power point is just before you reach that ratio (the power does go down when you are right at that ratio though).
[/quote]
At the marginal amount we are talking about, don't equate that to making the engine last longer. If it's not knocking and the engine is running cool, less fuel is desired. I suppose I don't understand combustion at all, I only tune cars...
[/quote]
I'm happy for you... I didn't say anything about longetivity.
[/quote]
That's what the initial post I quoted specifically referenced. Simple to understand if you understand forum quoting at all.
[/quote]
Maybe I don't understand
I don't spend the majority of my life online, sorry. (/sarcasm) Before this turns childish/stupid, and since it is off topic entirely, let's lay it down now. Thx...