Why Blow?
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For me its simple:
Why blow?
1) Power and more power
Why not blow?
1) Cost; money and more money (as ChrisD implies with his plans for bottom end work)
2) Warranty goes bye bye
3) Engine possibly goes kaboom in the (near?) future; axle, diff, clutch etc. concerns
Personally, I bought the car to enjoy now. I am not concerned with its value or potential value 20 years from now. I believe (investment wise) that there are better long term avenues available than a car. It is true that FI will change the character of the car. However, whether or not that change is for the better is purely subjective. Everyone's interpretation of what their car should be is fine by me. If some want to stay true to what they consider the "Honda vision", then so be it. While being "pure" can be great, it doesn't necessarily make it better (or worse). FYI: my car is stock and will probably remain so for the foreseeable future. If money were no object, I'd definitely consider FI (or maybe I would just buy a 996 turbo and call it a day
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Bottom line: different strokes for different folks.
Why blow?
1) Power and more power
Why not blow?
1) Cost; money and more money (as ChrisD implies with his plans for bottom end work)
2) Warranty goes bye bye
3) Engine possibly goes kaboom in the (near?) future; axle, diff, clutch etc. concerns
Personally, I bought the car to enjoy now. I am not concerned with its value or potential value 20 years from now. I believe (investment wise) that there are better long term avenues available than a car. It is true that FI will change the character of the car. However, whether or not that change is for the better is purely subjective. Everyone's interpretation of what their car should be is fine by me. If some want to stay true to what they consider the "Honda vision", then so be it. While being "pure" can be great, it doesn't necessarily make it better (or worse). FYI: my car is stock and will probably remain so for the foreseeable future. If money were no object, I'd definitely consider FI (or maybe I would just buy a 996 turbo and call it a day
).Bottom line: different strokes for different folks.
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Tim and Bieg...excuse my last post, I see what you were saying. I just woke up and wasn't quite thinking clearly yet...(if I ever am) 
And while I wouldn't consider modifying an S2000 a "molestation" it likely does decrease the value and collectibility of the car...some are concerned with that, some are not. I am one that isn't, so that is not an issue with me personally.
I'm glad to see that those who are "blowing" or thinking about doing it have a big picture approach to this. Simply adding power like this to a drivetrain that was meant for 240 hp, not 340 hp, will bring about other issues. And given the clutch and diff replacements that have taken place on stock cars, it stands to reason that you investigate components that can handle the additional strain. That goes for the bottom end, as well...
Good discussion...
And while I wouldn't consider modifying an S2000 a "molestation" it likely does decrease the value and collectibility of the car...some are concerned with that, some are not. I am one that isn't, so that is not an issue with me personally.
I'm glad to see that those who are "blowing" or thinking about doing it have a big picture approach to this. Simply adding power like this to a drivetrain that was meant for 240 hp, not 340 hp, will bring about other issues. And given the clutch and diff replacements that have taken place on stock cars, it stands to reason that you investigate components that can handle the additional strain. That goes for the bottom end, as well...
Good discussion...
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Originally posted by ChrisD
And to Bieg, I know you are trying to keep it clean and just make your opinions known, but when you use certain language you imply otherwise. "Clean, un-molested stock cars" (implying that we molest our cars?), "BTW there is nothing original about taking out your checkbook and buying parts to bolt on your car." (the converse here is obvious. I do believe there is something special about this work, espescially when no one else has done it before), "I think one of the problems with the S2000 is that too many people can afford it and because they can they have that "import scene" mentality and treat it like the "ultimate Civic"." (I know what you mean by this, but it does come off as somewhat condescending). I don't say things like "N/A car owners are idjits" or veil them in other ways, maybe you could do the same?
And to Bieg, I know you are trying to keep it clean and just make your opinions known, but when you use certain language you imply otherwise. "Clean, un-molested stock cars" (implying that we molest our cars?), "BTW there is nothing original about taking out your checkbook and buying parts to bolt on your car." (the converse here is obvious. I do believe there is something special about this work, espescially when no one else has done it before), "I think one of the problems with the S2000 is that too many people can afford it and because they can they have that "import scene" mentality and treat it like the "ultimate Civic"." (I know what you mean by this, but it does come off as somewhat condescending). I don't say things like "N/A car owners are idjits" or veil them in other ways, maybe you could do the same?
I never called anyone an idiot. The problem is you all think that I think you are. It is just that some of us have already been down the road you are traveling and when we try to point out the potential pitfalls of the journey you take offense. So be it. Everyone needs to make their own mistakes. Just do what I did when it happens and chalk it up to an expensive education.
BTW you don't think you are ever going to get even a small percentage of your investment into your car back do you? Take that same money and purchase a faster car and leave it stock and that percentage increases. If your goal is just to have a lot of expensive fun tinkering with your car or you just want to be able to say you have the fastest S2000 then all power to you (no pun intended). The sad fact is that the value of your car is inversely proportionate to the amount of money you invest in it changing it. You may get lucky and find someone who wants exactly what you did to it and you will be able to unload it but that is the exception rather than the rule.
I suspect you are aware of it and it is not a consideration for you. Good for you.
It IS a big reason some of us are not doing it though.
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This thread is starting to turn into a bit of a soap opera. I'm beginning to lose interest. Can posters simply just state their case and leave the podium? Some are looking like the Energizer Bunny. They just keep going and going and going ......... !!?? And your answers never seem to be complete. Be happy with your original statement and stance. You don't have to continually keep justifying it. Standing your ground is fine. It's not necessary to be "inching" forward. You don't have to "pounce" back into the fray at every opposing view, especially when it doesn't directly attack your 1st comment. Have some confidence in what you 1st said. (Unless of course, you don't.
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(Unless of course, you don't. )
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I'd consider some headwork and a really good set of cams to add to the F20C as well as some optimized engine management. I'd also consider dropping the final drive slightly, but that's about it.
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Originally posted by mingster
i say 2 pages
i say 2 pages
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I didn't read the whole thread but I did browse through it. First of all, there is no such thing a Z06 convertible. The Z06 only comes one way.
As for FI. Everyone has their own opinions, likes, dislikes, etc. Some people are just speed freaks (like me) and will do just about anything to get their 'fix'. The S2000 is an amazing car in stock form but just didn't offer enough straight line power for me. I don't like American cars in general primarily due to concerns regarding quality and longevity. In addition to which, I prefer the interior styling of most foreign cars to those of domestics. A turbocharged S2000 is just an awesome car. It has tremendous straight line performance and offers no performance drawbacks for someone that does not track their car. In addition to which, a turbo just sounds awesome. I also like the 'deception' factor that a turbo S2 has. You expect an S2 to beat certain cars and lose to others. A turbo S2 changes the 'expected to lose to' category substantially and you'll surprise alot of people. I like being able to 'surprise' Corvettes, that's half of the fun.
As for FI. Everyone has their own opinions, likes, dislikes, etc. Some people are just speed freaks (like me) and will do just about anything to get their 'fix'. The S2000 is an amazing car in stock form but just didn't offer enough straight line power for me. I don't like American cars in general primarily due to concerns regarding quality and longevity. In addition to which, I prefer the interior styling of most foreign cars to those of domestics. A turbocharged S2000 is just an awesome car. It has tremendous straight line performance and offers no performance drawbacks for someone that does not track their car. In addition to which, a turbo just sounds awesome. I also like the 'deception' factor that a turbo S2 has. You expect an S2 to beat certain cars and lose to others. A turbo S2 changes the 'expected to lose to' category substantially and you'll surprise alot of people. I like being able to 'surprise' Corvettes, that's half of the fun.
