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Old Feb 4, 2006 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower,Feb 3 2006, 11:27 AM
You shouldn't be calling yourself a car enthusiast if you paid 300 dollars for a door handle. There are about 1000 of them sitting around on junked cars for 20 bucks. Also you're blowing things WAY out of proportion. I have a 9 year old M3 and I haven't had to replace more than 5 major parts (RSM, RTAB, shocks/struts, dim radio which was recalled by BMW) So all in all I've only had to replace worn suspension parts that would need to be changed on any car with that many miles.

People who say BMW's are too expensive to maintain either can't do their own work or aren't resourcefull in finding parts. The E36 has been around a long time and the oem/aftermarket part selection is far more vast than the S2000. I autocross and track my M3 as well as daily drive it 12000 miles a year and I haven't had any problems.
I was definitely exagerating when I said there are 75 problem areas on used BMWs but there are quite a few... don't deny it for arguments sake.

Poor ratiators
Poor water pumps
Poor thermostats
Poor interior durability (window swithches, door panel integrity, misaligned glove boxes, crappy plastics)
Poor body trim
Poor ball joints
Poor sensor reliability (break pad indicator, radiator)

And please rationalize how I am not an auto enthusiast because I ordered a new door handle from BMW instead of going to the junk yard to get another sub-par 10 year old door handle when I could just get a new one. I want peace of mind knowing my door is securely latched and that means I'm not an auto enthusiast?

Yeah, its me who is blowing things out of proportion.
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 12:22 AM
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straight trade, hell yeah...
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower,Feb 4 2006, 01:50 AM
Yeah but you can put an AA s/c on a M3 and rape turbo S2000's. M3 is always going to be faster with equal mods. You don't buy a S for straightline acceleration and you don't buy an E46 M3 for knife edge turn in and raw feel.
"Equal mods"? You obviously have no idea how much an AA SC for the M3 costs.

"Rape turbo S2000's"?? Clearly, u don't have the slightest clue how much power a built turbo S2000 can make.

An AA Stage 3 SC for the M3 will be lucky to make 450-500 to the wheels at 7900 rpm. My turbo S2000 will make that from 4500 all the way to redline, while weighing 700 lbs less. It doesn't take a genius to do the math.
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 12:51 PM
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[QUOTE=camera obscura,Feb 4 2006, 08:27 PM] I was definitely exagerating when I said there are 75 problem areas on used BMWs but there are quite a few... don't deny it for arguments sake.

Poor ratiators
Poor water pumps
Poor thermostats
Poor interior durability (window swithches, door panel integrity, misaligned glove boxes, crappy plastics)
Poor body trim
Poor ball joints
Poor sensor reliability (break pad indicator, radiator)

And please rationalize how I am not an auto enthusiast because I ordered a new door handle from BMW instead of going to the junk yard to get another sub-par 10 year old door handle when I could just get a new one.
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by bigpurp,Feb 5 2006, 09:16 AM
"Equal mods"? You obviously have no idea how much an AA SC for the M3 costs.

"Rape turbo S2000's"?? Clearly, u don't have the slightest clue how much power a built turbo S2000 can make.

An AA Stage 3 SC for the M3 will be lucky to make 450-500 to the wheels at 7900 rpm. My turbo S2000 will make that from 4500 all the way to redline, while weighing 700 lbs less. It doesn't take a genius to do the math.
I know how much it costs and I never said anything about money but rather FI vs FI. I know exactly how much a turbo S2000 can make, fperra has a mid 500 whp s2000 locally. The problem is you're probably running 2X the amount of boost to get that much power.

Also, guess what your turbo s2000 will never make over 450+ wtq and there are plenty of S52 powered M3/Mcoupe/Mroadsters that will eat your car alive. You can't compare turbo to turbo. I'd love to see how your car would do against a S52 with a big snail. Face the facts, when you put boost to a 2.0L I4 it's never going to make as much power as a 3.2L I6. There is not replacement for displacement. That's why you seen tons of 1000+ whp V8 mustangs running 8 and 9 second passes.

Check out ICSperformances cars. They built a 730rwhp 3.2L M3, don't see any turbo S2000's that are street driven making that. Keep in mind these aren't even 333hp based S54's but 240 hp based S52 motors out of the E36's. 1 made 551 RWHP and 562 WTQ on PUMP GAS. Hell it made 407/349 @ just 7psi. Show me any S2000 that makes over 400 whp on 7 psi, you can't.

http://www.icsperformance.com/media.htm
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower,Feb 5 2006, 01:51 PM
Almost all those things you listed have to do with age and are WEAR items. A radiator on a civic or accord isn't going to last forever either. Plastics get brittle and weak over the period of 7-10 years constantly heating up and cooling down. I've never heard of any problems with electric windows not working or door panel "integrity". I'd be happy to take a picture of my interior and show you all the gaps are still correct, the headliner is still like new and my 1/10 of an inch glove box door gap. It may get a bit loose over time but 2 screws and 30 seconds of your time can correct that.

I don't know what you mean when you say poor body trim, all the bumpers/plastic strips on my M3 still look great. I keep my car clean and use back to black and they still look black and shiny. I've never had any problems with any sensors, in fact all the sensors paired with the OBC is very usefull in letting me know when my coolant level is low or when I need to change a burned out bulb in my taillight.

You can't seriously come on this forum and tell everyone you paid 300 dollars for just the plastic handle portion of a door and blame BMW. First off, a used plastic door handle is the same as a new plastic door handle. Second of all, the black door handle piece itself doesn't compromise how your door locks. If your door can shut and your locking mechanism inside works it doesn't matter if your door handle is half melted. It sounds like me that you're just a little afraid to do the research to find some parts either used or at a good price and install them yourself.

If you can't do your own work (or pay the price and NOT complain) to replace wear items like radiators, thermostats, and suspension wearing out then you shouldn't be driving any kind of performance car.
Look, you have made it crystal clear that you have had minimal problems with your M3 and for that I congratulate you. However, it is widely believed that BMWs are fragile automobiles. Not just by Plymouth Voyager driving soccer moms but also by many auto enthusiasts.

From my experience, it was more than I wanted to deal with in a used car I paid as much as I did for. Get it? I work too much to be worried about the next little surprise my OBC is going to deliver me. I don't like driving around for hundreds of miles digging through dirty ass junkyards looking for used parts that are probably going to break again in a matter of months. Not how I like to spend my weekends.

I had a bad experience. You had a good one. But don't ****ing tell me I'm not a car person or that I shouldn't be driving a sports car. Come on. Thats moronic and immature. Hell maybe it is mature because for all I know, your 16. And you know absolutely nothing about me other than the fact that I drive an S2000 and that Id prefer it over another BMW.
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 02:02 PM
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[QUOTE=camera obscura,Feb 5 2006, 02:45 PM] Look, you have made it crystal clear that you have had minimal problems with your M3 and for that I congratulate you.
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 02:09 PM
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Christ. Nevermind.
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 02:59 PM
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Cosmos - you're on a S2000 board - of course most of the replies to this type of thread are going to show the BMW in a worse light than the car these very boards are built around. The fact that this thread hasn't been all out M bashing just shows credit for the M in general.

If you took this discussion to the M boards they would say some nice things about the S2000 till someone started talking about some sort of credibility thing on the S and then the thread would turn into an argument.

This was a cool thread, let's try to make it that way again - okay everyone
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Old Feb 5, 2006 | 06:45 PM
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for me to trade in my bro's s2k (lol) for the e46 m i would have to test drive the e46 m3 first. anybody want to volunteer? i live in socal, city of diamond bar

oh and, 6 spd only please



i'm just kidding, but at the same time i wish someone would take me seriously
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