which would you take, ap1 or ap2?
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Originally Posted by RED MX5,Nov 19 2007, 04:45 PM
Have you seen any lap times that bear this out?
And of course we can look at SCCA Nats results from 2004-2007 and see that an ap1 has always had the quickest time.
But regardless, the AP2 is the easiest for most drivers to safely drive fast. Probably less than 1% of drivers out there can get the extra potential out of an AP1.
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Originally Posted by RED MX5,Nov 19 2007, 06:49 PM
No need to apologize; I just asked because I thought maybe you knew something I didn't. 
It really is just a matter of preference and driving style (which affects our preferences), and as much as I love the early AP1's for most of the stuff I do with the car, I on the track I'm actually more comfortable in an AP2, and I suspect that the extra confidance might lead to improved lap times. LOL, not stating that as a hard fact or anything, but just saying that I think I can go faster on Road Atlanta or Roebling Road (or for that matter, the Dragon) in an AP2.
There is more area under the VTEC torque and power curves with an AP1, but I'm just not sure that's enough to offset the high speed handling differences (given my driving style). Maybe the AP1 would be a little quicker on faster tracks, but I think it would take a better driver than myself to prove it.
PalenkosBro, it doesn't make ME cool, but it does make my car cool.
Guys who try to make nothing of it are just exposing their envy.
It really is just a matter of preference and driving style (which affects our preferences), and as much as I love the early AP1's for most of the stuff I do with the car, I on the track I'm actually more comfortable in an AP2, and I suspect that the extra confidance might lead to improved lap times. LOL, not stating that as a hard fact or anything, but just saying that I think I can go faster on Road Atlanta or Roebling Road (or for that matter, the Dragon) in an AP2.There is more area under the VTEC torque and power curves with an AP1, but I'm just not sure that's enough to offset the high speed handling differences (given my driving style). Maybe the AP1 would be a little quicker on faster tracks, but I think it would take a better driver than myself to prove it.
PalenkosBro, it doesn't make ME cool, but it does make my car cool.
Guys who try to make nothing of it are just exposing their envy.
cool can't be measured in any way, shape, or form....i'm just a jokester about it
but i def. went after an 03' when i found out it was the last year that revved to 9
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Originally Posted by toofast4yalll,May 16 2007, 05:27 AM
An AP1 is lighter, has a stiffer suspension, no DBW, no CDV, redlines at 9. The only advantages the AP2 has are things I wouldn't want anyway. A glass rear window? I'm getting a hard top anyway. A better sound system? My AP1 has no radio or speakers, and I even ripped out the wiring for them. A more civil ride? The first thing I would do to a brand new AP2 is coilovers to lower and stiffen it. Drive by wire? I much prefer the feel of a throttle cable. Don't even get me started on the clutch delay valve. Honda spends extra money and charges you extra to put CDV's on the cars. Then you drive it home and have to spend more extra money to get it ripped out. The fact that it only redlines at 8k seals the deal for me. I've driven every year S2000, and the MY00 is by far the most fun and tossable. For a mid-life crisis boulevard cruiser, an AP2 is a nice car. For a track ready, no frills 4-cyl rocket, AP1 all the way.
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Would anyone take a boosted AP2 over a boosted AP1?
RedMX5 and I have / had gears and SC on AP1 which IMHO negates any engine "benefit" the AP2 had. 9k boosted redline is a thing of beauty. I'm running up against the rev limiter all the time as it is... I wouldn't want to give that up.
RedMX5 and I have / had gears and SC on AP1 which IMHO negates any engine "benefit" the AP2 had. 9k boosted redline is a thing of beauty. I'm running up against the rev limiter all the time as it is... I wouldn't want to give that up.
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Originally Posted by CKit,Nov 20 2007, 08:56 AM
Would anyone take a boosted AP2 over a boosted AP1?
RedMX5 and I have / had gears and SC on AP1 which IMHO negates any engine "benefit" the AP2 had. 9k boosted redline is a thing of beauty. I'm running up against the rev limiter all the time as it is... I wouldn't want to give that up.
RedMX5 and I have / had gears and SC on AP1 which IMHO negates any engine "benefit" the AP2 had. 9k boosted redline is a thing of beauty. I'm running up against the rev limiter all the time as it is... I wouldn't want to give that up.
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Originally Posted by Ks320,Nov 20 2007, 06:39 AM
Then wouldn't this make AP2 chassis + suspension setup with F20c a perfect combo 
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Seriously though, that combination might be perfect for some. Everyone outside North America was getting that combination for a while, and some still do. The AP1 handling dynamics were more important to me than any of the engine differences, but I wasn't looking for a DD or a track car. If I'd been looking for a DD I'd have probably gotten an SLK, and if I'd been looking for a track car I'd most likely have gotten an open wheel car. If my track car had to be based on a street car for any reason I'd probably go with a Miata. From a performance per dollar perspective, a shifter kart is the perfect combo.
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Originally Posted by CKit,Nov 20 2007, 11:56 AM
Would anyone take a boosted AP2 over a boosted AP1?
RedMX5 and I have / had gears and SC on AP1 which IMHO negates any engine "benefit" the AP2 had. 9k boosted redline is a thing of beauty. I'm running up against the rev limiter all the time as it is... I wouldn't want to give that up.
RedMX5 and I have / had gears and SC on AP1 which IMHO negates any engine "benefit" the AP2 had. 9k boosted redline is a thing of beauty. I'm running up against the rev limiter all the time as it is... I wouldn't want to give that up.
If you're hitting the rev limiter all the time you should consider a Modifry Shift Beeper. One of the best mods I've made to the car.
Up in Atlanta, in rush hour traffic, with a stock S2000 as my only car, I think I'd really appreciate the extra low end torque of the F22C. As much as I enjoy rowing a gearbox to extract an engines power, it gets old quickly when I'm in gridlock. Also, if the S2000 was my only car and had to be my DD, every day, I think I'd want a glass rear window with a defroster. LOL, of course when I go to Atlanta I usually drive the Lexus, because the way people drive up there scares the crap out of me when I'm in a small car. I went up there ONCE on a bike ... NEVER ever going to make that mistake again.
Would anyone take a boosted AP1 over a boosted AP1? Since a number of people have purchased AP2's and supercharged them, and since they could have had an AP1 for less and still boosted the car, it's pretty obvious that some have indeed made that very choice. Has anyone with a boosted AP1 upgraded to a boosted AP2?
But yea, the 9k redline is one of the things that persuaded me to buy the car in the first place, and there is no way I'd ever give it up, anymore than I'd want to give up the boost. BUT, that's just me (and you), and not everyone is looking for the same things from their car.
BTW, you're new sig photo is awsome. Variety is the spice of life.