Tanqueray-

We can't help but joke and laugh in order to deal with the impending catastrophic engine meltdown that we are all sure to face. OK maybe just AZ and TX owners.......with grill covers.......driving in stop and go traffic for 4.365 minutes.......in 104.56 degree temps

Remember chicken little?

Hey watchout everyone!!!! The sky is falling!!

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by shingles
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If you will also notice another thread posted by Xviper, with or without grill, there was no impact on the intake charge temp.

 

Tanqueray,

Take a look at my posts on the temp measurements... those are solid numbers taken from an instruments. Perhaps David M took measurements at a different location, I don't know.

If you like to argue with the fact that the grill hasn't make a darn difference in my coolant temp, then I can't say anything else... because I can't make facts more true then it already is.

-Shing

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tanqueray
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That's very odd, since David McCune's data says that the air cleaner temperature is higher with the grill installed.

 

Shing, I find it difficult to believe we can't measure a difference in coolant temperature with the grill vs. without the grill. I find this difficult to believe because almost all if not all observed four bar readings have occurred with a grill or a grill plus an additional obstacle or a couple of rare cases of improperly filled cooling systems with air in the cooling system (like my car had after the short block replacement.)

Surely you don't mean that the grill caused four bars on the coolant gauge without causing a temperature rise in the coolant. Perhaps you think this is a coincidental corellation rather than a causal relationship. If that is true, more data should show no real statistical relation between grills and four bars. I doubt that, but it is possible.

Am I missing something?

I understand that we can debate whether or not a temp of "four bars" is in any way bad for engine performance or engine longevity. I just don't think we can any longer argue that a grill doesn't raise engine temperature during times of high ambient temperature and aggressive driving.

Barry

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by shingles
[B]Tanqueray,

Take a look at my posts on the temp measurements... those are solid numbers taken from an instruments.

 

It does not suprise me that it is possible that the coolant temp won't change. Perhaps the grill does not block enough air flow such that the cooling system is compromised?

I won't dispute the fact that some here have had 4 bars with the grill on. But my posts are mainly directed at the point that the grill is not a good idea in Texas. Both Joe and I have the grill and we drive in some pretty darn hot weather in some of the heaviest traffics around. Neither of us have ever seen four bars. Who knows, I could just be lucky and havn't run across this situation.

-Shing

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by shingles
[B]Both Joe and I have the grill and we drive in some pretty darn hot weather in some of the heaviest traffics around.

 

Tanqueray-

First let me say that I have nothing against you.

I'm assuming you were referring to me when you made the stalker comment. I'm a bit hesitant to reply to such an absurd accusation but what the hell!

Just to clarify things for you. This is my eleventh post to this thread. Only five of those eleven were addressed to you directly. The first being a response to a question YOU posed to me. In the second I wished you luck in resolving your "issues". Granted the last 3 have been a bit more heated and probably a result of my frustration with this whole issue but stalkeresque?......I think not. Please, if you feel the need to call me names at least do it in private and do it directly.

As you can probably see.... when the need presents itself sarcasm is my friend. If you took my other comments as directed at you personally then I apologize.

Again as I said before good luck in finding some resolution to your problem.


Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.........

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mack
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Just to clarify things for you. This is my eleventh post to this thread. Only five of those eleven were addressed to you directly.

 

Tanq-

I'm not sure why you have elected to ignore the fact that I have apologized and continue the debate..... but have it your way if you like. The apology still stands whether you choose to hear me or not.

As for your comments.

This is an open forum and I'm entitled to my opinion. Whether you find value, humor, information in any of my comments is not of concern to me. And the last thing I would attempt to do is "force" someone to do or believe anything. I think everyone here is capable of making a decision for themselves and I've said so several times during this discourse.

As for having not read or ignored your posts....I've read them all and taken them at face value.

Maybe you misunderstood my "frustration" with the situation. It doesn't frustrate me in the least that you have a diffent opinion than I do, my frustration, I think, is very similar to yours. I'm frustrated when facts and information are layed out and ignored.

Having said that I'd like to get back to the issue. The 4th Bar.

Seems to me the issue you keep coming back to is the grill. You have stated that with the grill in place your car runs hot and with it removed the car is fine. Seems to me that the logical thing would be to remove it if you think the car running hotter is a problem. Although I would weigh that against the fact that the owners manual as sighted doesn't state that 4 or even 5 bars on the temp guage is a problem under "severe" conditions.

As for the hesitation issue. I don't doubt your having a problem here either. Anytime the engine is ingesting hot ambient air you may have this problem. One of my previous vehicles was a VW Corrado. I had a P-Flow intake that consisted of a K&N filter affixed to the end of the intake tube sitting in the engine bay. I experienced similar stalls and hesitation in temps that were much milder that what you have described. The car had close to 70k miles on it when I sold it and i never had any problems. I saw the car reciently at a local AutoX and it's still going strong with over 100K on the clock. So it doesn't look like the hesitation/stalling had any long term effects but was just a bit frustrating when it happened.

Having said all of this I'm still of the opinion that if you did live in a hot climate and chose to keep the grill on the car it wouldn't be a problem. Yes you might experience some stalling or hesitation. Yes you might have an occasional 4 Bar event but the instances that you have discibed were 4 bars are showing are consistent with what Honda would term "severe" conditions and that being the case I wouldn't be worried. Obviously If I was driving the car hard or sitting in traffic for a long period of time and had a 4 bar event that lasted a significant amount of time I'd keep my eye on the situation. If 5 bars appeared I'd probably pull over, check things out and let the car cool.

Hope this helps clarify my opinion on this subject.