4 Bars. Due to blocking air flow?
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From: Sheridan
For all the heat in this thread, I wonder who got grilled?
Maybe this thread would have benefitted from a little more hesitation and even a stall or two.
Thanks everyone for contributing. Now would be a good time for a moderator to lock it up tight.
Barry, thread initiator, and four-bar-phobic.
Maybe this thread would have benefitted from a little more hesitation and even a stall or two.
Thanks everyone for contributing. Now would be a good time for a moderator to lock it up tight.
Barry, thread initiator, and four-bar-phobic.
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From: Knoxville
Barry-
Sorry it got a little out of hand....guess I was the primary griller or is it grillee. Anyway, I hope you found something of value in all of our comments.
Stick a fork in me I'm done!!
Bye!!
Sorry it got a little out of hand....guess I was the primary griller or is it grillee. Anyway, I hope you found something of value in all of our comments.
Stick a fork in me I'm done!!
Bye!!
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From: Phoenix
Originally posted by Mack
Tanq-
Seems to me the issue you keep coming back to is the grill. You have stated that with the grill in place your car runs hot and with it removed the car is fine. Seems to me that the logical thing would be to remove it if you think the car running hotter is a problem. Although I would weigh that against the fact that the owners manual as sighted doesn't state that 4 or even 5 bars on the temp guage is a problem under "severe" conditions.
As for the hesitation issue. I don't doubt your having a problem here either. Anytime the engine is ingesting hot ambient air you may have this problem. One of my previous vehicles was a VW Corrado. I had a P-Flow intake that consisted of a K&N filter affixed to the end of the intake tube sitting in the engine bay. I experienced similar stalls and hesitation in temps that were much milder that what you have described. The car had close to 70k miles on it when I sold it and i never had any problems. I saw the car reciently at a local AutoX and it's still going strong with over 100K on the clock. So it doesn't look like the hesitation/stalling had any long term effects but was just a bit frustrating when it happened.
Having said all of this I'm still of the opinion that if you did live in a hot climate and chose to keep the grill on the car it wouldn't be a problem. Yes you might experience some stalling or hesitation. Yes you might have an occasional 4 Bar event but the instances that you have discibed were 4 bars are showing are consistent with what Honda would term "severe" conditions and that being the case I wouldn't be worried. Obviously If I was driving the car hard or sitting in traffic for a long period of time and had a 4 bar event that lasted a significant amount of time I'd keep my eye on the situation. If 5 bars appeared I'd probably pull over, check things out and let the car cool.
Hope this helps clarify my opinion on this subject.
Tanq-
Seems to me the issue you keep coming back to is the grill. You have stated that with the grill in place your car runs hot and with it removed the car is fine. Seems to me that the logical thing would be to remove it if you think the car running hotter is a problem. Although I would weigh that against the fact that the owners manual as sighted doesn't state that 4 or even 5 bars on the temp guage is a problem under "severe" conditions.
As for the hesitation issue. I don't doubt your having a problem here either. Anytime the engine is ingesting hot ambient air you may have this problem. One of my previous vehicles was a VW Corrado. I had a P-Flow intake that consisted of a K&N filter affixed to the end of the intake tube sitting in the engine bay. I experienced similar stalls and hesitation in temps that were much milder that what you have described. The car had close to 70k miles on it when I sold it and i never had any problems. I saw the car reciently at a local AutoX and it's still going strong with over 100K on the clock. So it doesn't look like the hesitation/stalling had any long term effects but was just a bit frustrating when it happened.
Having said all of this I'm still of the opinion that if you did live in a hot climate and chose to keep the grill on the car it wouldn't be a problem. Yes you might experience some stalling or hesitation. Yes you might have an occasional 4 Bar event but the instances that you have discibed were 4 bars are showing are consistent with what Honda would term "severe" conditions and that being the case I wouldn't be worried. Obviously If I was driving the car hard or sitting in traffic for a long period of time and had a 4 bar event that lasted a significant amount of time I'd keep my eye on the situation. If 5 bars appeared I'd probably pull over, check things out and let the car cool.
Hope this helps clarify my opinion on this subject.
-- hesitation/stalling and higher engine temperatures are good reasons to recommend to my friends not to use the grill
-- I have a right to make that recommendation to anyone I please
-- I have a right to post my concerns on in this forum without being ridiculed by someone who disagrees with my views on stalling, hesitation and engine temperature
but otherwise we seem to believe the same thing. If you can accept the fact that I see a problem with using the grill in hot climates, I can accept the fact that you don't mind 4 bars. Deal?
Tanq
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From: Sheridan
Hey, Mack and Tang and others,
I was just up too late having some word fun. I'm okay with the whole thread.
I've learned a good bit from it.
Does OBD2 have a coolant temp readout?
I was just up too late having some word fun. I'm okay with the whole thread.
I've learned a good bit from it.
Does OBD2 have a coolant temp readout?
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From: Sugar Land
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Barry WY Silver/Black '01
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It could be that those of us with 4 bars have a combination of problems some of which might inlude the grill and the heat and hard driving.
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It could be that those of us with 4 bars have a combination of problems some of which might inlude the grill and the heat and hard driving.