Originally Posted by xviper

OK, I'm not here to argue with you nor am I knocking what you've done and you are fully within your rights to believe that all that you've done is "worth it". However, please go take a look at everything you've done and add up the total cost of it. You're not talking about just a stand alone ECU. Take a look at your list:
Let's take your "38 whp" gain. Tell us how much in $$$$$$ you spent to achieve those extra ponies. The original question in this thread was about re-programming the stock ECU and I mentioned about an aftermarket ECU, nothing about all the extras you had to do to make those gains. Did the standalone all by itself achieve those gains? Because if it did, you spent a lot of money on all that other stuff. Please include all the labor costs for the work, all the costs for tuning and tell us how many dollars per HP gain. What kind of money are we talking about here? OK, let's forget about the labor. Let's say you did it yourself. Not everyone will be able to do it themselves. Worth it to you? Great! You should be applauded for your work and effort. All I said was that "some" may differ and of course, you differed with that. To each his own.

And here is what "Speakeasy2009" said .......................
So, Speakeasy2009, what is 38 whp worth to you?

I spent $6000.00 nearly 10 years ago to put a Vortech on my S2000 for a claimed gain of 100 whp. In the same token, I thought it was worth it to me, however, "some may say it's not worth it". I'm just telling both sides of the story here.
Do we have all apples here? Or are there some oranges thrown in?

Originally Posted by b.r.i.a.n.

are you kidding me? of course the standalone alone isn't going to make those gains on its own. you have to add modifications to the motor for the standalone to we worthwhile. if you're really curious about the cost of those parts, well the intake i made myself and cost under 150 in materials. the header will run you about 450 new. the throttle body was 100 shipped off ebay. the exhaust i picked up used locally. new it's about 600. the hondata gasket is 50 shipped new. so you're looking at a little over 1k on those parts. the most expensive parts were the standalone and the injectors. the majority don't need the injectors. i just wanted to run e85 fuel. stock injectors are enough for your average bolt on setup.

as far as labor and tuning go, my dad and i do the labor and i am a tuner

Originally Posted by xviper

But I was NOT talking about supporting add-ons. I was talking strictly an aftermarket ECU, nothing else. Furthermore, the vast majority of people are NOT going to be able to do what you did on their own. They are going to have to go to someone like you with a big bag of money. I would hazzard to guess it would be in the several thousands for your average S2000 owner wanting that little extra. My point was that an ECU alone will NOT give you the gains you boast about. You will NOT get a 38 whp gain from an ECU alone. It has never been done and it never will be done unless you own stock in magic Pixie dust. The OP does not appear to want to spend that kind of money. He started off wanting to do a simple re-program for a few more HP and you've got him buying exhaust, header, throttle body, re-worked intake manifold, manifold gasket and hours and hours and hours of tuning.

Oh, and Bye. I've spent way more of time than it's worth here.

Originally Posted by Speakeasy2009

Great info guys...thanks!! Is there any gain to swapping my AP1 ECU for an AP2 ECU and leave the car pretty much bone stock?? With exception to an aftermarket intake im pretty much stock..

Originally Posted by Saki GT

I think the story is, no one really took the time to remap the S2000s ECU because it was so low volume and gains were minimal.