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Old Dec 13, 2009 | 07:21 PM
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Wondering if I could get some help. I feel like I am turning against resistance, especially in high speed turns. When I go into high speed turns sometimes my front end does not track and oversteers toward the wall, which is weird for a RWD car, right? Anyways, wondering if there are any suggestions - EPS is not on, but the steering in high speed turns requires me to hold on to the wheel real tight to hold the car in the turn. I have Yokahama S drive tires, and no mods other than a AEM CAI. Thanks.
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Old Dec 13, 2009 | 08:14 PM
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the resistant you felt is a product of eps, it does that so you don't have to make tons of mirco adjustment at high speed driving. it's not linear like what you expect from a manual rack, some people likes it, some hates it.

if the front end does not stick and steer toward the wall, it's called understeers. being a RWD doesn't mean it's going to be oversteer/understeer by any means, however you are right, most people would say the S is more of an oversteer prone car(in the hand of novice at least)

the first thing i would check is the tire pressure and alignment, oh yeah S drive is not exactly the performance replacement for the stock tires(s02 or RE50) so you are giving it something there.

btw what's the tire size set up?
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Old Dec 13, 2009 | 09:50 PM
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Looking at my Discount Tire Co. Receipt (You're right, the S-drive was a mistake)

Receipt says 2 245/40R-17, and 2 215/45R 17s - that seem right?

Also, I am considering a CUSCO anti-roll for the front to eliminate the oversteer and give me more control, talked to a guy who said it gave him the most bang for his buck as far as suspension goes.
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Old Dec 13, 2009 | 09:51 PM
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What tire pressure do you recommend? I live in San Diego and I run it at 36. Think that is too high?
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Old Dec 13, 2009 | 10:12 PM
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that is too high in my book. but just a little. I'd drop it to 32. The tires not having enough grip could ultimately be your problem during "high speed turns".
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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 01:23 AM
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32 is what honda recommended, it's a good baseline to start at. 36 is good for getting less rolling resistance but at expense for traction and road feel, most hypermiller run it very high to get more mpg but those are not performance car by any means.

some better/race tire with stiff construction sidewall takes much less air pressure to run at track, it's all depends. S drives is not as bad as some of the crap some people put on their S, I saw some clueless owner running 3k volks with mixed kumho and falken all season that almost made me cried.

with all that said, there's number of thing you can do before breaking the bank.

play round with air pressure is a good way to adjustment toward handling, first it's free and it's fast to do.

before you get anything make sure you know what you doing, are you trying to eliminate excessive oversteer or understeer? oversteer..in a nutshell is that your rear end steps out when you corner.

sway bar would be the next cheapest upgrade after better tires.

depends on the years of your S, you can play around with used oem swaybar too, earlier S get a much stiffer bar than the later year..and then there's the big brother CR suspension

the 215 should be in front and yes those tire size sounds about right but do double check which one is up front, the "pro" at tireshop might not be the sharpest tool in the drawer.
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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 07:53 AM
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my 04 ap2 says 30psi recommended pressure....
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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by HondaPride,Dec 13 2009, 10:50 PM
Also, I am considering a CUSCO anti-roll for the front to eliminate the oversteer and give me more control, talked to a guy who said it gave him the most bang for his buck as far as suspension goes.
You're not going to eliminate oversteer. Oversteer happens after you pass the limit of traction on the rear tires. Best you can do is make the limit of traction higher by adjusting tire pressures, adjusting alignment, using larger tires, dialing in higher damping up front to reduce weight transfer, or possibly using a larger sway bar up front. But you must also understand that oversteer will still inherently be there... the limit where the tires break will just be higher.

Also, you must understand that most of the oversteer and understeer you will experience is driver induced. Adjust your driving style and habits.
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Old Dec 14, 2009 | 08:54 AM
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And get an alignment.
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