I have worked the past 15+ years in engineering, from managing reconstruction of a plant to developing critical medical devices to developing RF systems. Out of all of the engineers I have ever worked with, the only ones that get this bent out of shape over something like this in a trade area are a) teachers or b) trying to compensate for lack of ability. This is nothing more than you trolling around just waiting to correct someone on the internet and flexing your "e-muscle"

If I am teaching someone physics, I will be super critical about the usage of terms. When talking about working on cars, where the term has been used both ways for probably as long as cars have existed, I am not going to get all preachy and picky about it. The term has been used backwards more than the correct way (which is why we get so used to typing it one way), and if you are talking to a mechanic they are 99% of the time going to say it or recognize it the other way. It is hurting nothing. It does not mean I am lacking in knowledge, you correcting us and using all caps in doing so does not make you smarter at all. When talking cars, I probably use it both ways evenly depending on how someone already used it in the conversation. You have adequately stated your point, do you feel smarter now that you have scolded everyone about something so trivial?

Relax a bit and maybe use your next post to actually add some relevant and helpful info on the original question? If you had just politely added some info and then said, "oh by the way people use this term wrong a lot" then we would have said "yep, we know ... just a habit" and moved on. But you added nothing at all other than coming in here and acting all high and mighty and using all caps in part of your post. Did you care to answer his question, or do you just look around for posts that may have some mistake you can correct and just jump in to do so to make yourself feel better?

 

Well, I wonder who needs to relax now? I think that enough has been said on the subject.

 

Yep, as I thought. Just a troll wanting to stir up stuff lol. Nope not all upset, just questioning why you cant participate without being a dick about it. You just answered ... came in to bitch at people, then feel you have done your part.

 

Since you wish to continue the dialog I do want to point out that as a (presumably) qualified engineer you could be expected to use the descriptor correctly. No, I am not a troll wishing to cause problems I am a qualified engineer and I do value correctness, unlike you. I did not raise the subject simply to cause problems I did so because of the frustration which I feel when those who know better (i.e. some manufacturers and at least one engineer) are content to perpetuate an incorrect unit simply because of common usage. Most engineers hold themselves to higher standards.

 

It is sometimes hard to hear/feel the click.

Use the right size wrench. A bigass wrench set to 29LB is like trying to drive a finishing nail with a jackhammer.

You won't feel the click at low settings and you might over torque.
If you were using a 3/8" torque wrench, the click would be easy to feel. Its $10 at harbor freight right now. Pick one up for oil changes.

29LB is also low. Isn't it 33LB for the oil drain?

The FILTER is 18LB-FT.
Torque the filter.
You can't hand tighten the filter.
People are strong until their engine is on fire from their limp wristed attempt at hand tightening the filter. Then they're flailing around trying to put out said fire.
Limp wristed, non torquing losers.


Also...because of the difference in kinetic vs static friction...make sure the wrench clicks when you are moving it.

Meaning...if you stop turning the bolt...then start turning again and it clicks right away...the bolt is not torqued. Its too loose. The click is due to static friction.

Loosen it and go again in that case.

You want to be moving in a fluid, steady motion as it clicks.

Make sense?

 

WTF are you hens clucking about up there?

Is this misspelled word (ponds) what's got you all ruffled and angry?


Forgive each other and embrace your differences instead of getting all torqued up. Go dip your feet in a pond together.

 

I included a link to the wrench I'm using. Do you guys feel that this wrench is too big for the job i'm doing? 3/8 is just the drive, but this wrench is pretty long.

 

That's about "normal" length for a 3/8 size. They all vary somewhat depending on manufacturer. A longer one is preferred if no space constraints so you have a easier, smoother stroke as B mentioned.

​​​​​​If you are concerned that you are using excessive force, you can try calibrating the torque wrench. There are better tutorials if you have a luggage or hanging scale out there but this is a good tutorial if you have limited tools.

 

Size is fine. Set it to the correct torque and use a new crush washer.

-- Chuck

 

How do I use a new crush washer without changing the oil again? Are you thinking it's probably on too tight or too loose?

Also, Shouldn't it be fine for now as long as it's on there securely? What could happen if I just leave it alone?