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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 03:46 AM
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yes, try amsoil. what oil are you using? as i said before, when i switched from mobil 1 to amsoil it went away, and when i switched back, it came back
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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 09:35 AM
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MMO has probably been around longer than any other oil additive. In fact, the company actually recommends you add it to the oil and fuel. It's probably the universal "go to" fix for stuck lifters when all else fails by mechanics.
Right, but why would I have stuck valves at 10k when I've changed the oil religiously four times since new? Furthermore, everyone else seems to notice the same noise at start-up and it doesn't seem to be a wear issue, including the guy with 120k+ miles.

If you are looking for an oil that might take care of the noise without using fuel additives, try an AMSOIL product. I think their ATM 10W-30 would be a good place to start. I'm using LE 8130 right now in another vehicle and that oil has to be one of the quietest running oils I've ever used in a engine. You can't even hear the pistons firing through the headers anymore. I'll eventually move the LE8130 into my S2000, but it will be a couple of more years as I use up some older oil stash first.
I'm running Amsoil 10w-30 now. I was previously running Mobil 1 EP and Synpower. I suppose I should time how long it takes for the noise to go away, it could be as little as 30 seconds.
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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by terahertz,Jun 13 2009, 03:46 AM
yes, try amsoil. what oil are you using? as i said before, when i switched from mobil 1 to amsoil it went away, and when i switched back, it came back
Maybe it takes awhile, I just switched over to Amsoil 10w-30 from Synpower.
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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 10:00 AM
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I think I'm done trying to help you. Good luck.
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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 10:06 AM
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are you using the 10w30 XL or the regular ATM oil? i used the regular non XL ATM oil and then actually switched to the 10w40 for track and have never heard it since switching to either
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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by INDYMAC,Jun 13 2009, 10:00 AM
I think I'm done trying to help you. Good luck.
You're not any authority on long term effects of using MMO. Again, I'd like to see back-to-back UOAs posted with at last 5k on each drain, and MMO consistently through that period.
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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by terahertz,Jun 13 2009, 10:06 AM
are you using the 10w30 XL or the regular ATM oil? i used the regular non XL ATM oil and then actually switched to the 10w40 for track and have never heard it since switching to either
I'm running ATM. You're currently running 10w-40? Seems heavy for a high revving engine like this, but it might be ok in summer. Again, I think this is more of a nuisance noise issue, I doubt it corresponds to any significant wear. I just drive the car easy until it's warmed up, like most people.
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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 2007 Zx-10,Jun 13 2009, 03:09 PM
You're not any authority on long term effects of using MMO. Again, I'd like to see back-to-back UOAs posted with at last 5k on each drain, and MMO consistently through that period.
Well, even if you don't really deserve anymore of my advice, I'll offer this to the rest of the folks that might want to learn something about fuel additives and its effects on engine components in a gasoline engine:


Here is my latest UOA on a 2003 G35 with the VQ35DE engine.
Castrol Syntec 0W30 (GC gold) with no make up oil or additives.
OEM oil filter.
Microgard (Purolator) air filter (changed at the beginning of this OCI).
Total mileage 73,254.
OCI mileage 4190 (4.5 months).
Fuel used was Shell V-Power (93)
Fuel additive was MMO 4ozs/10 gallons on every tank.
Sample date 4/10/08

I will call this sample A, and compare it to sample B (previous fill of GC UOA with all the same vitals except for Chevron Supreme gas and Techron concentrate fuel system cleaners used for 4113 miles). The UOA's were both done by Dyson Analysis.

Element/A/B

Iron/9/9
Copper/3/12
Tin/0/0
Lead/15/21
Chromium/1/1
Nickel/1/1
Aluminum/3/2
Titanium/0/0
Silver/0/0
Calcium/1498/1634
Magnesium/457/381
Zinc/1090/1032
Phosphorus/1083/885
Barium/0/0
Molybdenum/1/9
Antimony/6/0
Silicon/23/17
Sodium/12/22
Boron/1/9
Potassium/0/0
Vanadium/0/0

V40C/71.4/72.3
V100C/11.6/12.2
TAN/4.42/2.60
Flash/285/320
Oxidation/13/14
Nitration/12/12
KF/399/521
TBN/5.2/2.1
Fuel/1.60/1.29
Soot/0/0
Glycol/0.31/0.83
V-index/159/168
Sulfate Byproduct/20/21

As you can see, fuel additives make a difference when it comes to leaching lead and copper from some bearings, especially if fuel dilution is prevelent throughout the OCI. I found similar data that validates this theory on another vehicle I own with fuel dilution issues, but it's not my S2000. It does not have fuel dilution issues. It's a shame because I prefer the way Chevron Supreme runs in all my vehicles, but I understand the consequences now.

If anyone else really wants to know some more info on quieting valvetrain noise, just PM me and I'll be glad to help you out the best I can.


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Old Jun 13, 2009 | 02:30 PM
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Lead and TBN aren't too hot considering the mileage. Furthermore, you need to compare them with zero solvents or cleaners added to the oil. Good bet the "fuel dilution" is actually solvent. I rest my case.
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