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Originally Posted by fltsfshr,Jan 18 2005, 06:27 PM
No Rob
It's obvious...YOU"RE A CLOSET CONSERVATIVE!!
I can see the light.
fltsfshr
It's obvious...YOU"RE A CLOSET CONSERVATIVE!!
I can see the light.
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Originally Posted by charlie,Jan 18 2005, 07:18 PM
so is this thread open to all controversial topics?.. I have question concerning abortion.... ok or not 
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Originally Posted by fltsfshr,Jan 18 2005, 08:27 PM
You understand that liberal values and policies forced upon colleges and universities under the guise of higher education are at the core of the problem.
These professors have instilled what I consider to be "unsatifactory ethics in teaching" if they and their students believe they shouldn't educate but rather teach for the test.
These professors have instilled what I consider to be "unsatifactory ethics in teaching" if they and their students believe they shouldn't educate but rather teach for the test.
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Dean let me respectfully disagrree. I think there are lots of professors with personal agenda teaching in colleges, protected by tenure and convinced that their opinion and belief is exactly what they should be teaching.
It's time for accountability.
fltsfshr
It's time for accountability.
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Originally Posted by fltsfshr,Jan 18 2005, 07:27 PM
Gee Rob
I got the Cowboy bit from what you wrote earlier. Yes we do need to expose kids to reality. But more importantly we need to instill basic values of right and wrong before we feed kids the reality.
Whether they learn from you or from Cowboys, it still counts. Good is intrinsically good and evil is intrisically evil. Kids need to know right from wrong on a basic black and white level.
Hence Cowboys or the symbolic ideals they represent.
You understand that liberal values and policies forced upon colleges and universities under the guise of higher education are at the core of the problem.
These professors have instilled what I consider to be "unsatifactory ethics in teaching" if they and their students believe they shouldn't educate but rather teach for the test. That's cheating the kids, their parents and the taxpayers who put up the money for public education.
It's wrong. It needs to be corrected and the correction should start with the school boards and the removal of power from the NEA, it's lobby and it's proponents in the higher education system.
There's a reason private schools gain students every day. It's because the parents who are sending them there have done well and can afford it. Theses kids for the most part will be tomorrows movers and shakers.
The ones left behind will be the uneducated mass that the liberals have been trying to produce for 40 years.
I just want better for all kids.
It's your kids future you are condeming to mediocraty.
fltsfshr
I got the Cowboy bit from what you wrote earlier. Yes we do need to expose kids to reality. But more importantly we need to instill basic values of right and wrong before we feed kids the reality.
Whether they learn from you or from Cowboys, it still counts. Good is intrinsically good and evil is intrisically evil. Kids need to know right from wrong on a basic black and white level.
Hence Cowboys or the symbolic ideals they represent.
You understand that liberal values and policies forced upon colleges and universities under the guise of higher education are at the core of the problem.
These professors have instilled what I consider to be "unsatifactory ethics in teaching" if they and their students believe they shouldn't educate but rather teach for the test. That's cheating the kids, their parents and the taxpayers who put up the money for public education.
It's wrong. It needs to be corrected and the correction should start with the school boards and the removal of power from the NEA, it's lobby and it's proponents in the higher education system.
There's a reason private schools gain students every day. It's because the parents who are sending them there have done well and can afford it. Theses kids for the most part will be tomorrows movers and shakers.
The ones left behind will be the uneducated mass that the liberals have been trying to produce for 40 years.
I just want better for all kids.
It's your kids future you are condeming to mediocraty.
fltsfshr
You have to teach the difference between right and wrong, and fake and real at the same time as you are teaching your kids about the world. There is no first or second, they are equally important. Ultimately it is the parent, not the cowboy, not the teacher, not the baby sitter who has the obligation to teach their child the difference between right and wrong, real and fake. Liberal parents and conservative parents both, politics has nothing to do with it.
I don't know where you get this notion that it is the liberals who ruined the higher education, or any education. But then, I don't know where you get most of your notions about liberals.
Quite frankly, an awful lot that has gone wrong with our schools in the last few years are the result of conservative policies. This whole "No child left behind" policy has been a disaster. Have you heard of "Everyday Math"?
I think you are very misguided to point a finger at liberals and attempt to blame them for the problems in the public schools. Its not becoming, and you should leave that rhetoric for people like Rush Limbaugh. The problems in the public schools are the results of misguided policies, misguided politics, poorly thought out programs, bad teachers, a lack of parential involvement and many other things that have nothing whatsever to do with whether a person is liberal or conservative. Stupidity exists on both sides of the aisle.
The reason private schools gain students every day is because public schools are not doing their jobs properly. It has nothing to do with liberal or conservative so much as it has to do with the teachers, administrators and parents. I can show you some public school districts right here in the metropolitan New York, New Jersey, Connecticut area that I'd put against any private school you can show me. Some of them are in liberal areas, some in conservative areas, all are in areas where parents want better for their kids. And take the responsibility of parenting seriously.
As far as the movers and shakers coming from the private schools, I've heard that for a long, long time. Some do, some don't, many will come from the public schools.
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Shield your kids from "naughty words" when they're young. Shield them from inappropriately sexual movies before they are ready, let them know that it's not okay to hang out with the neighborhood drug dealer. Or, say it's all okay--set the boundaries that you (the parent) deem important. Overly shielded to one family may be overly stimulated to another. I would hope that a general moral tone would be set that is acceptable (at minimum) to the public at large.
As for teachers teaching to the test, that's their fault if they do. I have no less than eight teachers as friends, and we talk about it all the time. What I hear more than anything is that the teacher will land in a "bad school", as in a school with kids from a "bad" neighborhood, with parents who are apathetic. I can see an embattled teacher just trying to "get through" a class by teaching to the test, but that (to me) is not right. In my view the public school system needs a wholesale overhaul, and AGAIN I think the parents and the teacher's unions are at fault.
BTW, this is the first time I have EVER heard the thought posited that Republicans want to get rid of public schools. What complete HOOEY! Is that why liberals are SOOO AFRAID of school vouchers? Would that shine a bright light on the public schools that SUCKED?
Sorry Rob, but this thread of yours is threatening the genteel nature of Vintage!
As for teachers teaching to the test, that's their fault if they do. I have no less than eight teachers as friends, and we talk about it all the time. What I hear more than anything is that the teacher will land in a "bad school", as in a school with kids from a "bad" neighborhood, with parents who are apathetic. I can see an embattled teacher just trying to "get through" a class by teaching to the test, but that (to me) is not right. In my view the public school system needs a wholesale overhaul, and AGAIN I think the parents and the teacher's unions are at fault.
BTW, this is the first time I have EVER heard the thought posited that Republicans want to get rid of public schools. What complete HOOEY! Is that why liberals are SOOO AFRAID of school vouchers? Would that shine a bright light on the public schools that SUCKED?
Sorry Rob, but this thread of yours is threatening the genteel nature of Vintage!
Dean, nice! 