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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Apr 17 2007, 07:52 PM
That's a cheap rhetorical trick. There are 300M people in this country, and most of us enjoy many more benefits from our Constitutional rights than we suffer costs from other people having those same rights.
You are absolutely right, and here's another one. Go and explain it to the parents and families of the kids who were killed, and to all of the families of innocents who were killed by handguns.

Don't be surprised if they don't counter with the suggestion that those who were killed also had rights, and their rights might just supercede the right to carry a handgun.
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ralper,Apr 17 2007, 09:08 PM
...Don't be surprised if they don't counter with the suggestion that those who were killed also had rights, and their rights might just supercede the right to carry a handgun.
My only problem with your position is if you feel their rights supercede my right to keep a firearm to protect me and mine in my home.
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RC - Ryder,Apr 17 2007, 08:31 PM
One anecdote. We lived in Baltimore in the late 70s, while attending Johns Hopkins University, and we never felt safe there for one single day. I pinned up a target on my front door of the town house that had been treated by a couple of clips of .45 caliber wad cutters. Trust me, never ever did anybody so much as ring our door bell the entire time we lived there.
I like that approach. Although, I'm thinking that a couple of dead Bible thumpers nailed to the front door might be more effective in my neighborhood.

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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by dean,Apr 17 2007, 09:34 PM
I like that approach. Although, I'm thinking that a couple of dead Bible thumpers nailed to the front door might be more effective in my neighborhood.
Wouldn't it be more effective to just put them on a pike in the front yard like Vlad?
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by raymo19,Apr 17 2007, 09:42 PM
Wouldn't it be more effective to just put them on a pike in the front yard like Vlad?
No, if I put them out in the yard away from the house the crows will end up getting them. Then I'd end up replacing them every couple of weeks. My lawn guy might be a little put off by it too.
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dean,Apr 17 2007, 05:34 PM
I like that approach. Although, I'm thinking that a couple of dead Bible thumpers nailed to the front door might be more effective in my neighborhood.
Dean, that's quite an amusing thought.
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by raymo19,Apr 17 2007, 08:30 PM
My only problem with your position is if you feel their rights supercede my right to keep a firearm to protect me and mine in my home.
That's the problem. Where do you draw the line. I'm not sure but I don't think that banning handguns and assault weapons interferes with your right to keep a firearm at home to protect your home and your family.

Quite frankly I don't care what you keep at home, and I do hope that you keep it safely locked away. But I very much care when guns are so readily available that one can be purchased and used as it was yesterday. Unfortunately, the gun control laws that we now have on the books would not have prevented the tragedy. The day before yesterday the shooter would have had no problem, what so ever, getting a gun.
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 05:51 PM
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[QUOTE=RC - Ryder,Apr 17 2007, 06:31 PM] I sure hope more comes out of this VT tragedy than going on a gun control hiatus.
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by S1997,Apr 17 2007, 06:51 PM
but do we really know how deranged he was -- or why he did it? Maybe that will become clearer with time.
How much clearer does it have to be? When you walk in and kill 30+ people at random, I think it is not jumping the gun to label you "deranged".
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by NATURAL JOCK,Apr 17 2007, 09:46 PM
Dean, that's quite an amusing thought.
Thanks. I like your sig. We have five adoptees.
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