Bye Bye Bilstein Hello Ohlins
My brain is pretty much exploded. I came up with a few crazy mounts that involved clamps to clamp to the A-arm but they would have been very expensive to get machined and there are lots of critical dimensions due to the weird shape of the a arms and I'm sure I'd have to build a few prototypes before getting it completely right.
I pretty much decided just to give up and go with the penskes but then I talked to another friend with an ARE bar and he said even with penskes there's some minor contact (I have some nicks on my penskes at the endlink area but assumed they were from something else...maybe this is the reason). So then I'm back to the Ohlins if I have to modify the bar regardless.
Long story short, I think I'm going to do the "keep it simple stupid" approach and just cut the sway bar blade mounts and reweld them angled more inwards (about 3 degrees so that it moves them 0.4"-0.5" away from the shock on each side, then just mount the sway bar the normal way above the control arm. I figure the ohlins need an extra 1/4" plus a little bit more safety margin over the clearance I currently have. Luckily they're just regular carbon steel so cutting and rewelding should be ok. Might even be able to get away with just cutting and rewelding one side 6 degrees in then scooting the bar over 1/2" in the mounts, I'll have to see how much play I have in bar length. Based on trigonometry that should end up with an endlink angle of about 10 degrees relative to straight up and down, angled the same way the shocks are angled, but that'd almost be better because that's the direction the a arm articulates relative to the bar anyway. Worst case I think 10 degrees should be fine right?
Edit...they're already angled some, this will angle it more. Didn't measure but eyeballing it looks like 10 degrees now, so it'll be more like 20.
I pretty much decided just to give up and go with the penskes but then I talked to another friend with an ARE bar and he said even with penskes there's some minor contact (I have some nicks on my penskes at the endlink area but assumed they were from something else...maybe this is the reason). So then I'm back to the Ohlins if I have to modify the bar regardless.
Long story short, I think I'm going to do the "keep it simple stupid" approach and just cut the sway bar blade mounts and reweld them angled more inwards (about 3 degrees so that it moves them 0.4"-0.5" away from the shock on each side, then just mount the sway bar the normal way above the control arm. I figure the ohlins need an extra 1/4" plus a little bit more safety margin over the clearance I currently have. Luckily they're just regular carbon steel so cutting and rewelding should be ok. Might even be able to get away with just cutting and rewelding one side 6 degrees in then scooting the bar over 1/2" in the mounts, I'll have to see how much play I have in bar length. Based on trigonometry that should end up with an endlink angle of about 10 degrees relative to straight up and down, angled the same way the shocks are angled, but that'd almost be better because that's the direction the a arm articulates relative to the bar anyway. Worst case I think 10 degrees should be fine right?
Edit...they're already angled some, this will angle it more. Didn't measure but eyeballing it looks like 10 degrees now, so it'll be more like 20.
He doesn't currently. If you asked him maybe he would. I told him it doesn't fit and he didn't offer up anything other than the suggestion that rewelding them might be an option but he doesn't know. I didn't push it, maybe if I had he'd help out more.
I expect my solution of reangling the arms will work, in which case maybe you could see if he'll do it that way from the start. Either that or I'll start my own sway bar company.
I expect my solution of reangling the arms will work, in which case maybe you could see if he'll do it that way from the start. Either that or I'll start my own sway bar company.
He doesn't currently. If you asked him maybe he would. I told him it doesn't fit and he didn't offer up anything other than the suggestion that rewelding them might be an option but he doesn't know. I didn't push it, maybe if I had he'd help out more.
I expect my solution of reangling the arms will work, in which case maybe you could see if he'll do it that way from the start. Either that or I'll start my own sway bar company.
I expect my solution of reangling the arms will work, in which case maybe you could see if he'll do it that way from the start. Either that or I'll start my own sway bar company.

Obviously you like the Ankeny.
I would like to know your opinion and anyone else's of what the differences are and why you like one better then the other, other than the obvious advantage of being able to change settings faster.
I have read that Bill (Grendron maker) state that the blade arms are lass desirable because the rate increase is not linear as they deflect. An yet bladed arms are what practically all pro and purpose built race cars use.
Also how much better have you found it to be?
Originally Posted by IntegraR0064' timestamp='1357775090' post='22256822
He doesn't currently. If you asked him maybe he would. I told him it doesn't fit and he didn't offer up anything other than the suggestion that rewelding them might be an option but he doesn't know. I didn't push it, maybe if I had he'd help out more.
I expect my solution of reangling the arms will work, in which case maybe you could see if he'll do it that way from the start. Either that or I'll start my own sway bar company.
I expect my solution of reangling the arms will work, in which case maybe you could see if he'll do it that way from the start. Either that or I'll start my own sway bar company.

Obviously you like the Ankeny.
I would like to know your opinion and anyone else's of what the differences are and why you like one better then the other, other than the obvious advantage of being able to change settings faster.
I have read that Bill (Grendron maker) state that the blade arms are lass desirable because the rate increase is not linear as they deflect. An yet bladed arms are what practically all pro and purpose built race cars use.
Also how much better have you found it to be?
Originally Posted by legend4life' timestamp='1357773697' post='22256784
Sorry for asking the obvious, but can Guy offer any solutions for his bar to work with the Ohlins or even Penskes with absolutely no contact?
I did talk to PSI and suggested making a really long clevis so that the fat part of the shock doesn't start until above the endlink. He said it's definitely possible that would work and they can do the extended clevis easily. The only potential hiccup is having a long enough shock body still, he has to check their notes to see if it would still have sufficient travel. I suspect this idea won't pan out but it's possible and if it does that would be sweet...then I don't have to do anything.
Originally Posted by IntegraR0064' timestamp='1357775090' post='22256822
He doesn't currently. If you asked him maybe he would. I told him it doesn't fit and he didn't offer up anything other than the suggestion that rewelding them might be an option but he doesn't know. I didn't push it, maybe if I had he'd help out more.
I expect my solution of reangling the arms will work, in which case maybe you could see if he'll do it that way from the start. Either that or I'll start my own sway bar company.
I expect my solution of reangling the arms will work, in which case maybe you could see if he'll do it that way from the start. Either that or I'll start my own sway bar company.

Obviously you like the Ankeny.
I would like to know your opinion and anyone else's of what the differences are and why you like one better then the other, other than the obvious advantage of being able to change settings faster.
I have read that Bill (Grendron maker) state that the blade arms are lass desirable because the rate increase is not linear as they deflect. An yet bladed arms are what practically all pro and purpose built race cars use.
Also how much better have you found it to be?
I replied to your post there, here's a link: https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/904...t__p__22257216



