Does this mean that even YOU don't know which VIN goes with each member? I ask not because I distrust you, but rather out of concern that the information could be subpoenaed (as has been done with supposedly secure sites used to send anonymous email). If the state police or the FBI shows up at your door and takes your PC and all your paper files, are you saying they won't be able to tell either?

Now I hasten to say I don't expect this kind of problem in my life. But when a VW dealer sues someone for posting nasty opinions on a website, or a Honda dealer denies coverage because of something the owner posted, well, I get a bit antsy. It's not just hackers and cyber-predators I'm paranoid about; I don't have warm fuzzy feelings toward the tort system, or the criminal justice system either.

And I instinctively distrust all promises of security, so it's nothing personal.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tox
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Does this mean that even YOU don't know which VIN goes with each member?

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tox
[B]

Does this mean that even YOU don't know which VIN goes with each member?

 

So you basically have a program that algorithmically determines whats a valid VIN and what isn't. So the check digit would have to agree with the serial number or something like that.

 

Just wondering...........is there some advantage to posting a VIN number?

Joser
Silver/Red

 

Only benefits I remember were some future features of the site that were to use the "owner" status of board members. Could you elaborate Cthree?

 

Those future features are being added all the time. The Photo Album is one. 10MB of free photo hosting. The regular draws are another. Also, only owners and sponsors can post group buys. There are still restrictions on them but unless you are an owner you can't post them at all. There is more in the works but it takes time to put them together.

The principal is that the money raised through sponsorships should be used to pay for services for owners. Our policies and programs try to reflect that.

By the way, your VIN is never posted. It's registered but never displayed or made available to anyone as evidenced by my first post.

 

Don't forget the more show of ownership, the stronger the methodology. It adds validity to issues and concerns. It's similar to being a lobbyist group. Most of the issues that we discuss regarding warranty concerns and dealership treatment need our support as a whole. I can remember one issue in particular where a member could have use the communities support in a frivolous law suit by a dealer. If owners come forward as a group, it makes a stronger representation. Even though the dealer is fighting a small battle he/she will eventually loose the war when owners avoid the business all together. So it can mean a great deal to an owner, it can change perceptions and poor service. It can help resolve issues if we can show unity as owners, before they become real problems. Remember, the majority consensus generally rules!

Just another important benefit of such community support. Also remember that the word is derived from unity as a group. Our dicussions have a great impact on issues as well as sales for Honda and it's dealers. These unseen benefits shouldn't go unnoticed or not understood. Words are powerful things if used in the right and honest way. Think about how many times we have been asked by potential owners why they should buy one, or what color, or if a performance part is going to work, or if a performance parts are to highly priced, etc., etc, etc. It's your money you don't have to spend it all in one place. You have all the power and it's in your tiny finger and wallet. This is one of the checks and balances we have as potential customers.

I remember another thread where we dicussed a particular cost of a supercharger unit. Some of us decided that $6000.00 for one was way to expensive and voiced the opinion openly. Now if all of the membership stood up and agreed as a whole then I'd bet the manfacture would have come down considerably in price. If not, you haven't lost anything because you still have your money. The manfacture would be sitting on a kit that he couldn't sell. We have all the power if we just use it as a whole.

Cheers

Jeff

 

being a security paranoia person (yes, I am a computer geek, what can I say). I will not give up my VIN as long as it is being stored somewhere on private network other than AHM, Dealership and secretary of the state.

Can you just put a algorithm that just varifies the VIN and turn on the owner flag and discarded the VIN? If what you say where true, you are only interested in the number of owners and owners flag in personal profiles. Why even bother to store each individual VIN?

Just a question, I am not complaining. I like this site and how it runs so far. It is just too much commercials here and there. and, I just don't want to give up my VIN for some other people for direct marketing, that's all.

 

I would suggest you not enter your VIN. It's that simple.

Clearly if you are not satisfied with the security we employ and the purposeful use of the information as laid out in our privacy policy then you should not enter this information.