Charles what the issue represents is that you can't seem to understand that moderation is organic and that the moderators are given a set of general guidelines to follow then they are asked to use their best judgment in deciding how to interpret and enforce them. We evaluate the effectiveness of the moderator based on how well we feel they have interpreted those guidelines and more specifically the spirit of those guidelines and based on whether we feel they have made good judgments. Moderators are subjective decision makers and are given the freedom to make decisions within the scope of the guidelines we give them.

Moderators are evaluated on quality of their decisions and they aren't compared to one another. One moderator might thing something is fine, another might not. If there is doubt then they ask us to weigh in. Each moderator is different and comes from a different experience and background. They are chosen based on their character not their math.

If this seems somewhat chaotic and arbitrary to you then you understand the facts but not the substance of how this community works. Cie la vie, life is like that.

 

Charles, why not spare us the eloquence and state your grievance in 20 words or less. Just one sentence which states exactly what you are trying to say.

On the topic of rules, lets be a bit realistic. If I sat down and wrote out 5 pages of specific concrete rules would you read them? Would something not addressed by those rules automatically and forever more be acceptable practice?

Forgive me for telling you what to do rather than what not to do.

 

Based on this thread and the previous, JL9000's complaint wasn't that he was singled out. It was that he was told by a moderator to reduce his sig in an unprofessional and rude manner, and was given no guideline as to what an acceptable sig was, as there apparently was no guideline other than "whatever the moderators feel is appropriate". You have skirted the acceptable sig issue by saying it's a grey area; meaning that a moderator can single out and sigs he or she does not care for (whether it be for size or content); when you clarified that 2" high and 800 pixels was roughly the largest you could have, you didn't list your screen size/resolution (JL9000's sig is about 1 1/2" on my monitor), and also stated that in some cases 3-4" would be acceptable. The issue of LudeDude's handling of JL9000's original sig was left completely unaddressed.

At least that's my interpretation.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by WestSideBilly

 

I'm trying very hard to understand the crux of this and the other thread in terms I can relate to the moderators and members if necessary, myself even. I just want you to understand that and I do this despite getting a ball bashing with your education blah blah comment. Communication involves at least 2 parties and the problem may well be on the transmitting end.

 

Maybe this will help. Please address why it is allowed for moderators to act so harshly and in a rude manner without consequences?? Like WestSide stated, the issue here is the TONE and ATTITUDE of the moderator, the message itself is secondary.

 

In short, threats and acting like a dictator about something like a sig is no way to earn respect, or get results. Paying members are CUSTOMERS and should be treated as such. In other words, with respect and courtesy.

 

Sorry but what do you know about what was communicated between the moderator and the member? How are you to judge what is rude or disrespectful if you don't know what was said? Perhaps his request was just terse and unaffectionate? Maybe it was rough and nasty? Obviously Charles didn't like it so that's fair, his complaint is noted. Define for me rude in the same way I'm asked to define too big, in a way that every single person on the planet will agree on.

I saw the PMs that LudeDude sent to Charles and I would personally describe them as unscented.

 

It was posted here:
http://forums.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.p...threadid=187056
With special note to the italicized part.

C3, I've sent you a PM.

 

No idea why I'm poping in here, but help me out with some clarity.

A mod sent a PM asking that you reduce your sig, then 10 hours or was it 2 hours? he sends another one, perhaps rude, perhaps brash asking once again that it be reduced.

I have a simple question.. did you read the PM soon after it was sent, but then waited to make a reply?

The mod wasn't privy to your personal problems, my condolances as well, I'm sorry to hear that.

I send many PM's a day, I look and see if they are read, if they have, and appeared to be ignored, I step it up a notch.

If this was not the case, well then I'll bow out.

If it was the case, then a second request was not out of line. I've been called every name in the book from members of this forum for one reason or another, and hey not only do I spend more time then I should to moderate, I pay to be a member here as well.. I don't see anyone giving me a cookie. In a general sense, it doesn't seem to me that respect is a two way street most times.