Joe,

I've had many thoughts of writing what's exactly on my mind on many of your responses in the past. I end up typing out a lot and never end up submitting it for the fear that you'd think I was attacking you....when really, I'm only responding to your thoughts and responses.

In any case, trying to drum up UMW attendance at FCT in the manner you did was not very favorable for either the event or for you (in my opinion). Sure many people may have had issues with going to an event that has affiliations with an organization that may or may not be well liked. But to add to it, after the event you post up the thought that many of us missed an event like no other and we should wallow in our sorrow for it.

You then add that the event DVD that you will be bringing out will be of such significance that the FWT DVD won't hold a candle to it.....keeping in mind that I (as a FWT customer) not only spent however much on registration, hotels, food, gas, raffle prize tickets, and liquor....but then spending another $30+ for the DVD that is of lower quality than what the FCT DVD wil be. That makes me feel as if I got taken.

C'mon. What do you expect? You think my response was callous? Sit in the seat I'm in....see the situation from my point of view.

If you really want to know what was missed out on in the life of S2Ki that were truly phenomenal events, Nationally, it was S2KDays '01; it was the first FCT. Regionally, it was the first BRIC gathering in WI; it was the first fun TSD rally; it wsa the first DragonBall Run. The UMW will hope to recapture the feeling of those 'honeymoon year' events this coming summer.

Keep an ear out. There will be an event in IN. There will be an event in IL. There will be an event in WI. Those three + the FWT should privde the UMW with lots of things to do next summer.

 

To address this first and formost: Taken? How could you ever feel "taken"? Do I really need to delve into the mass differences the 2 tours present? Do you know the average FC tours attendee paid nearly $6-800 for the 2 day weekend?? Do you know that registration was 3x's the amt of FWT? Do you know that the prizes and giveaways were half as much... his only prizes being a gear-set, a hard top and then rides in a Ferrari...

Urmil, I'm sorry if you choose to measure all around satisfaction, or overall worth of an event as a "customer" by the quality of the DVD. I'm sure that many others graded the event on more significant items...

Oh... and I did not realize that you were just my "customer". I did not realize that the FWT was intended to be a profitable venture... nor did I realize it to be a business with regular patrons. This event was created to bring the MidWest communities closer together... it was designed to have a great time by all participants... I don't know if you remember or not... but it also was very overbudget because I wanted to give so much back to those involved!! So again... I suppose for now on... I will disregard you as a friend... and treat you as any other corporation would their customers... in a professional matter.

way to take my statement out of context... I'm not sure why you felt it to be directed at you, or why you feel yourself to be a representative of anyone similar... but, I can assure you that I know and understand that many had "other" reasons for going. Again... I will reiterate that my comment was only to inform "THOSE WHO TOLD ME THEY ARE NOT GOING BECAUSE OF S2KI"- that it nothing of the such.

I know that I missed out on equally as much, and my post was not supposed to make anyone wallow in their sorrows... I would never care do such a thing... but I guess... interpret it how you choose... and I'll shy away from such statements in the future. I would not want to push my "customers" away.

You fail to understand that I AM in your seat Urmil. Only you choose to segregate yourself based on consumer and provider. I have my own career... I do not intend FWT to be a place of business. With FWT DVD- that was barely enough for Jeff to recover his expenses. With the FC DVD- it has a much bigger purpose. Obviously we'd like the support of s2ki... but it is intended on providing revenue in a different market. When the DVD is sold at cost to s2ki members... it is diffacult to put food on the table with it...

Realize... I'm not "attacking" you either... I am just a very passionate person. Many of my threads in the past were intended to derive a response or a reaction from this community... and they did exactly that... it worked as I wanted... it got people posting again. Nothing more... nothing less...

So I guess in summary... I apologize that I assumed my relationship with the Midwest... dominately the Chicago crew to be different. If that is all you see me as... as a vendor... then maybe I'll put on my professional hat and ensure nothing but politically correct responses from here on out...

 

alright kids!!! stop all this crap.. im tired of this already..

 

A slight exaggeration Urmil? My records show that you paid $17.95 ($22.95 with S+H). Not your "I've been taken at $30+". You were given a discount as a participant of the event just like everyone else. I don't feel that your comment was necessary and I would appreciate it if you would edit your post as it insinuates that I practice shady business! Not cool!

This is the first that I've heard any negative comments about the DVD. You were given the opportunity to tell all what you thought about it after you received it. As I remember, Pete was the only one of your immediate group to do so. In fact, over the weekend at FCT we had people approaching us about how much they liked it. If they were just being nice, than why approach us at all?

Furthermore Urmil, I worked my ass off on that DVD in spite of your many attempts (intentional or not) to make it fail before even being released. Much like you have stated about holding back on Joe, I have held back on you. I didn't get this impression from you face to face at FWT (and neither did my wife), so your posts since have been a bit of a shock. But, your negativity shines through again, and this time it was at my expense.

The reason FCT DVD will be more of a success is not because of the quality but because of the content. Realize that FCT is in it's 4th year, FWT in it's 1st. Not to mention MANY of the other significant differences including the almost 3 times as many people in attendance! So I say...How do the 2 compare?

How most of you have construed this into a competition between events (and DVDs) is beyond me, they're 2 completely different entities. I'm not the type to loath in my own work, but, you most likely can not show me a DVD documenting events like these that can come close to the FWT DVD if there is even one out there at all. There are many networks, auto enthusiast clubs, and automotive manufacturers who have all said that the Freshwater Tour DVD paved the road for what's to come with this type of documentary. That was the main objective of producing it in the first place...to bring some recognition to the auto enthusiasts of America. I didn't make a single penny off of that DVD, in fact, I lost my ass when calculating the time put into it, but I still see it as a success for what it has done for the future of auto enthusiasts.

 

 

Pinyo... I apologize, and none of this is directed at you (nor was it intended to be directed at any 1 person).

 

Werent you talking to Urmil.... who would be one person. You also mentioned the chicago crew....?

 

Don't take the words I have written down out of context...I am paraphrasing what I'm reading and understanding Joe's thoughts on what the FCT DVD will be as opposed to what the FWT DVD was.

I happily bought the DVD regardless if the content was good or not. I did the same for the EFFECT DVD. I've also purchased many punk rock CD's, metal and rock CD's, and some hip-hop CD's from local artists. I've never judged them if after I've listened to them. I bought them all to support all the local artists....just as I did for the DVD's.

I not once have written judgement on your work. Nor will I. Do I have criticism? Yes. Will I share it? No. Why would I criticize when I know I can't do half of what's been done?

Let me spell out what I was saying about being taken: Had I known that the FWT DVD wasn't going to be half of what the FCT DVD (as so eloquently pointed out in Joe's first post), I wouldn't have bought it. Quite frankly, I got more out of being at the event than I didn watching the DVD....it was about the experience of being there, meeting people, seeing old faces, and just out right having fun.

My comment "I'd hope so" was regarded towards Joe's advertising angle for the FCT. This is no attack on the DVD, this is no attack on the event....this was a response to me feeling like I wasn't apart of anything special....the FWT.

One last reiteration: I had a blast at the event. I'm especially happy that I chose to participate in the Petrowski drive and had the opportunity to hang out with so many owners the remainder of the weekend. I don't feel like I got taken....but if that's how I'm meant to feel to want to participate in the next FWT event, then I take exception to that...that's all I'm addressing.

 

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Jesus guys, I know I am a little bitch a lot, but you can tell winter is coming because, no one is talking about cars and rather arguing about total crap.

Whats next we shoot a fresh water tour porno DVD next year, and then start comparing it to the plot line of the fall colors DVD porno?

Lighten up.