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Old Feb 26, 2009 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Lithium Lotus,Feb 26 2009, 06:48 PM
Whats your point? Poster admitted he hit a huge pothole going fast. There is no indestructible wheel.
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Old Feb 26, 2009 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mysteryville,Feb 26 2009, 06:05 PM
The advantages might not justify 5x the cost to you, but don't assume everyone else is the same way.

By the way, it's not just about strength, Mr. Wizard.

Light, Strong, and Cheap.

Roll on Rotas, and we know which two you picked.

Again, people who roll on Rotas are fine with me. People who think the premium price for Volks is simply due to the brand name are imbiciles.
If you are with the percentile that wants to pay $500 extra per wheel to save 3lb/corner than more power to ya. Nothing wrong with a strong wallet.

Are Volks stronger than rotas? Yes
Are Volks lighter than rotas? Yes
Does the difference in strength/weight really applicable in a Honda? Don't think so.
Does the advantages justify the price difference? No

All wheels curb, bend, chip, and break given the cirumstances. Volks are no exception.

I'm sporting some rotas, and I'm using the money I saved for tires, 4.77s, and an intake; All that for the price of Volks can give you much more performance.

People who think the premium price for Volks is simply due to the brand name are imbiciles.
People who thinks their no premium price-up based on name on Volks are ignorant. Do you REALLY think it costs Volks $500 more to manufacture one wheel then it costs Rota? If you answer no, than you contradicted yourself.
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Old Feb 26, 2009 | 05:24 PM
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I'm not going to argue costs based solely on wheel manufacturing, but part of the extra premium you pay for Volks wheels is paying their engineers to come up with an original design that has probably been tested for strength as well.

Rota does not really have an R&D team like Volks for example and you can bet prices will go higher if they actually had to design a line-up of original wheel designs.
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Old Feb 26, 2009 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan H,Feb 26 2009, 06:24 PM
I'm not going to argue costs based solely on wheel manufacturing, but part of the extra premium you pay for Volks wheels is paying their engineers to come up with an original design that has probably been tested for strength as well.

Rota does not really have an R&D team like Volks for example and you can bet prices will go higher if they actually had to design a line-up of original wheel designs.
I was going to mentioed R&D on Volks part, but I would guess it would have been covered by now?

Even so, we all must admit there is a Brand-Name markup. Unlike Mysteryville who seem to think Brand name has no contribution to the premium price. Welcome to the overpriced, overhyped, overkilled JDM world.
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Old Feb 26, 2009 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by S2Kevint,Feb 26 2009, 06:27 PM
I was going to mentioed R&D on Volks part, but I would guess it would have been covered by now?

Even so, we all must admit there is a Brand-Name markup. Unlike Mysteryville who seem to think Brand name has no contribution to the premium price. Welcome to the overpriced, overhyped, overkilled JDM world.
Nowhere did I say brand name had nothing to do with the price. I just said it's not the only thing.

I'm familiar with the concept of charging a brand premium, but it's a forged aluminum racing wheel with a proprietary manufacturing technique that has been engineered from the ground up, not a ****ing BAPE hoodie.

Again, I'm not anti-Rota. I'm just anti-stupidity.
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Old Feb 26, 2009 | 05:46 PM
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Everyone gets two guesses on who in the this thread has Volks.
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Old Feb 26, 2009 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Lithium Lotus,Feb 26 2009, 06:48 PM
thats the point. a good rims BENDS, a shitty rim breaks!

i have seen some many rotas/MBs/konigs whatever burst @ amature drift events from curb slaps i've lost count. And although quality rims hitting curbs is more rare (since less poor 'me too' drifters can afford them) i have seen a few and have yet to see on burst from similar impacts to those which have cracked lower quality. Where would the owner of that volk rim be had that impact been absorbed into a more brittle rota? Maybe he would be fine but i suspect most likely it would have been a worse incident.

That is one of the key areas where quality does have a serious effect. If you're going to drive hard and push the limit, eventually a limit will be exceeded. Would you rather risk the lose of a $500 quality rim and increase your odds of not blowing out a rim, or get a cheapie that is expendable but doesn't offer the same level of strength? Up to the owner.
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Old Feb 26, 2009 | 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Voodoo_S2K,Feb 26 2009, 02:01 PM
Based on?
Based on cheaper metals (not correct alloy for something like a wheel), incorrect/inexpensive processing of the metal, no/low QC standards, etc.

You must understand, I am NOT talking about inexpensive wheels, I am talking about replica wheels, there IS a difference. While not all replica wheels are bad, I sure don't want to be the guy to find out which ones are.

Replica wheels are usually made by "cheap" companies that don't have the money to employ designers, etc etc. Designing a wheel is an expensive process. As a result, these companies become known as the "replica" wheel company. While not all of them are bad, they do have lower quality in basically all aspects of production. Are Volks worth triple the price of Rotas in terms of actual metal and worksmanship? No, they are not. However, it's not like comparing a Rolex to a Timex. Both keep time, so they are both the same. Some wheels are fine, but the first crack in the pavement you hit, they shatter.

Again, I am all for the "cheaper" stuff if it serves no actual purpose, but wheels are a safety item, and in a sports car, I wouldn't want to ride on something that may or may not be of good quality.
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Old Feb 26, 2009 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NFRs2000NYC,Feb 27 2009, 12:04 AM
Based on cheaper metals (not correct alloy for something like a wheel), incorrect/inexpensive processing of the metal, no/low QC standards, etc.

You must understand, I am NOT talking about inexpensive wheels, I am talking about replica wheels, there IS a difference. While not all replica wheels are bad, I sure don't want to be the guy to find out which ones are.
And you know this how? What evidence do you have to back this up?
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Old Feb 26, 2009 | 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Voodoo_S2K,Feb 27 2009, 03:07 AM
And you know this how? What evidence do you have to back this up?
Listen, I've seen my fair share of Konigs in my day. If you have no problem with it, more power to you. I am not a salesman, and I see no need to try and convince you of anything. Sure, HRE, BBS, Kinesis, and other high end brands have had failures, but you must take into account of how many of all their wheels have problems. They are bound to have a few that fall through the cracks. If you think the cheaper rims (by cheap, I mean CHEAP) are of the same quality are the models they are ripped off from, then there is no point in continuing this conversation.

For the record...again...knockoff wheels are too broad to generalize. While ones like Rota seem to be on the "upper" spectrum in terms of quality, there are plenty of others than can be had for $60 a wheel that are a bit stronger than balled up aluminum foil. So, like I said, the good "replicas" are the exception, NOT the rule.
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