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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 09:15 AM
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If you plan on getting spacers you should definitely get realigned as it will most likely throw out your alignment. Any changes you make to your car's suspension, be it tires, wheels, springs, coilovers, arms, etc. you should definitely get it realigned.
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by j0nathanl3e,Jun 10 2008, 12:46 PM
Don't take my word for it. Just buy them and find out for yourself. Think about it, the wider the track width the more stable it will become opposed to going to a narrow track which will make the car feel like it's going to tip over. Since you're going wider, your center of gravity will become more concentrated in the middle which, if you ask me, will help handling. But just buy them, even if say they don't dramatically increase your handling, at least it will let your car sit pretty. You can buy spacers from EvasiveMotorsports, which is where I picked up mine from.
If anything, you are actually pushing some of your car's mass to the corners effectively spreading the COG. A wider track will of course change the angle at which the suspension tilts, giving you the feeling of enhanced stability, in terms of roll-over resistance. It has nothing to do with the COG which is determined by the height of the center of mass of the car.

You will also subject the wheel studs, bearings, A-arms and steering components to forces that they were not designed to handle (lever effect). How different will it be than just putting wider tires on, I don't know and people put wider tires on their cars all the time.

To make sure the wheels are properly secured I would also get high strength, extended wheel studs to make sure I still get the same amount of stud thread after I put the spacers on.
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by j0nathanl3e,Jun 10 2008, 01:15 PM
If you plan on getting spacers you should definitely get realigned as it will most likely throw out your alignment. Any changes you make to your car's suspension, be it tires, wheels, springs, coilovers, arms, etc. you should definitely get it realigned.
Now that's a solid statement.
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by PJCC,Jun 10 2008, 10:51 AM
If anything, you are actually pushing some of your car's mass to the corners effectively spreading the COG. A wider track will of course change the angle at which the suspension tilts, giving you the feeling of enhanced stability, in terms of roll-over resistance. It has nothing to do with the COG which is determined by the height of the center of mass of the car.

You will also subject the wheel studs, bearings, A-arms and steering components to forces that they were not designed to handle (lever effect). How different will it be than just putting wider tires on, I don't know and people put wider tires on their cars all the time.

To make sure the wheels are properly secured I would also get high strength, extended wheel studs to make sure I still get the same amount of stud thread after I put the spacers on.
You're right, I was referring to my situation. I lowered my car ever so slightly and had that mental image in my head. And as for stress on the studs, it isn't much different than running wider wheels with a more aggressive offset. Anything other than stock is definitely going to add more stress to any component regardless.
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by j0nathanl3e,Jun 10 2008, 01:59 PM
You're right, I was referring to my situation. I lowered my car ever so slightly and had that mental image in my head. And as for stress on the studs, it isn't much different than running wider wheels with a more aggressive offset. Anything other than stock is definitely going to add more stress to any component regardless.
The studs are not pushed out by the spacers, so when you mount the wheel, the nut has less turns when it gets tight. You are basically using 15 mm less of the stud's thread. It night not be a big difference, but it is a difference. I have seen the results of loose wheel nuts and it's not pretty or cheap.

If anything, make sure you check the nuts torque every few weeks.
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 10:14 AM
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[QUOTE=PJCC,Jun 10 2008, 11:07 AM] The studs are not pushed out by the spacers, so when you mount the wheel, the nut has less turns when it gets tight.
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 01:57 PM
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Hello,
I have 15mm spacers at each side on the rear wheels.

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7...0hintenwc3.jpg


http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=s...egvorne1pr4.jpg
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 02:19 PM
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here are a couple quick pics of the car w/ the rear spacers installed:





It was raining so I had no intention of trying to take purrdy pics
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 03:49 PM
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The effect on handling depends on the steering mechanism geometry and how the added offset changes the pivot point of the wheel relative to the rest of the steering mechanism (there are technical terms for this, but I don't know them). Most people perceive an improvement in low speed handling, but it almost always results in a serious degradation of high speed handling (to the point of becoming dangerous in some cases). Google around, there is information on the topic. Personally, I would not second guess the S2K engineers on this one -- they obviously spent a lot of time optimizing the steering and suspension. If you're doing it for looks, that is another thing.
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Old Jun 10, 2008 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by skier219,Jun 10 2008, 04:49 PM
The effect on handling depends on the steering mechanism geometry and how the added offset changes the pivot point of the wheel relative to the rest of the steering mechanism (there are technical terms for this, but I don't know them). Most people perceive an improvement in low speed handling, but it almost always results in a serious degradation of high speed handling (to the point of becoming dangerous in some cases). Google around, there is information on the topic. Personally, I would not second guess the S2K engineers on this one -- they obviously spent a lot of time optimizing the steering and suspension. If you're doing it for looks, that is another thing.
So then in what ways would the spacers affect the high speed handling characteristics? I didn't buy spacers to mainly handle better, I got them more towards the reason of being absolutely sick of the OEM offsets when lowered.
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