MTF
Ive been in the import business for (im now 32 and been working at shops since i was 20 and building Hondas since i was 17 so going on 15 years now) quite awhile now and ive seen it all. Started out with a company called LANDSPEED RACING, then on to AUTOSPEED/IMPORT DIRECT, then on to SUPERIOR RACING DEVELOPMENT and then on to SCIENCEOFSPEED where im at now. First major failure of Honda transmissions is the wrong fluid. If there was a comparable fluid to be used in the transmissions they would list in their service manuals but they dont, everytime says HONDA MTF ONLY. Why??? No one knows for sure, could be the distances between synchros and hub selectors, gears not sure. Im just telling you from personal experience SYNTHETIC FLUIDS are not made for the tolerances in Honda 5/6 speed transmissions. I cant tell you WHY, but i can tell you ive seen number of transmissions fail due to SYNTHETIC FLUID. Im just letting you all know with the time ive been around and have seen many failures to HONDA transmissions. NISSAN-TOYOTA-etc etc etc are different and most of them use GEAR OIL 70-90, 80-90 just like what we run in our diffs. If HONDA wanted to be the same we would have the same transmissions but all HONDAS run a lighter based oil around a 10w30 weight just like engine oil. I wish i had the answer for you guys specifically but i dont. I hope this helps a little coming from someone first hand.
Originally Posted by midnightsunset,Sep 30 2008, 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by jefferyg32,Oct 5 2008, 08:56 AM
Ive been in the import business for (im now 32 and been working at shops since i was 20 and building Hondas since i was 17 so going on 15 years now) quite awhile now and ive seen it all. Started out with a company called LANDSPEED RACING, then on to AUTOSPEED/IMPORT DIRECT, then on to SUPERIOR RACING DEVELOPMENT and then on to SCIENCEOFSPEED where im at now. First major failure of Honda transmissions is the wrong fluid. If there was a comparable fluid to be used in the transmissions they would list in their service manuals but they dont, everytime says HONDA MTF ONLY. Why??? No one knows for sure, could be the distances between synchros and hub selectors, gears not sure. Im just telling you from personal experience SYNTHETIC FLUIDS are not made for the tolerances in Honda 5/6 speed transmissions. I cant tell you WHY, but i can tell you ive seen number of transmissions fail due to SYNTHETIC FLUID. Im just letting you all know with the time ive been around and have seen many failures to HONDA transmissions. NISSAN-TOYOTA-etc etc etc are different and most of them use GEAR OIL 70-90, 80-90 just like what we run in our diffs. If HONDA wanted to be the same we would have the same transmissions but all HONDAS run a lighter based oil around a 10w30 weight just like engine oil. I wish i had the answer for you guys specifically but i dont. I hope this helps a little coming from someone first hand.
Originally Posted by jefferyg32,Oct 5 2008, 08:56 AM
Ive been in the import business for (im now 32 and been working at shops since i was 20 and building Hondas since i was 17 so going on 15 years now) quite awhile now and ive seen it all. Started out with a company called LANDSPEED RACING, then on to AUTOSPEED/IMPORT DIRECT, then on to SUPERIOR RACING DEVELOPMENT and then on to SCIENCEOFSPEED where im at now. First major failure of Honda transmissions is the wrong fluid. If there was a comparable fluid to be used in the transmissions they would list in their service manuals but they dont, everytime says HONDA MTF ONLY. Why??? No one knows for sure, could be the distances between synchros and hub selectors, gears not sure. Im just telling you from personal experience SYNTHETIC FLUIDS are not made for the tolerances in Honda 5/6 speed transmissions. I cant tell you WHY, but i can tell you ive seen number of transmissions fail due to SYNTHETIC FLUID. Im just letting you all know with the time ive been around and have seen many failures to HONDA transmissions. NISSAN-TOYOTA-etc etc etc are different and most of them use GEAR OIL 70-90, 80-90 just like what we run in our diffs. If HONDA wanted to be the same we would have the same transmissions but all HONDAS run a lighter based oil around a 10w30 weight just like engine oil. I wish i had the answer for you guys specifically but i dont. I hope this helps a little coming from someone first hand.
I've always understood that 75/90 gear oil is about the same viscosity of 10w40 engine oil. 10w40 can be used in the trans temporarily but the additives are different in the engine oil as compared to the gear oil. I've run Redline fluid in mine for over 150k miles and it has worked well for me, so I think I'll just stick with it.
Originally Posted by midnightsunset,Oct 5 2008, 07:34 PM
If you are working for SOS, tell me why Chris was such a COC about installing my ITB's??
Chris, 75/90 gear oil is not close to 10w40 motor oil. it is ALOT thicker, and wouldn't pass through the pump/bearings/passages as fast as needed, like the thin Honda MTF. I may switch to redline on the next change as I am completely dissatisfied with the new formula of honda MTF. mine feels notchier than ever.
and it felt smooth as glass before I changed it the other week (it had the old formula honda MTF)
Originally Posted by midnightsunset,Oct 5 2008, 07:34 PM
If you are working for SOS, tell me why Chris was such a COC about installing my ITB's??
Originally Posted by 1FastS2k,Oct 6 2008, 11:19 AM
No Wade, you are wrong. I read it on the internet so it is true!!!!
Oil Viscosity chart from my friend BOB.
An explanation of why gear oil is different than engine oil, but still the same viscocity.
Oil Viscosity chart from my friend BOB.
An explanation of why gear oil is different than engine oil, but still the same viscocity.
I'll stick to what i see. gear oil is alot thicker...




