FIA Decision
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McLaren statement...
McLaren reacts
McLaren has reacted to the findings of the FIA World Council.
"Following an appearance by McLaren today at the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris, a unanimous decision has been taken by the FIA which in McLaren's opinion is very balanced and fair," the team said. "McLaren accepts the that the FIA World Motor Sport Council had no alternative other than to find that there was a purely technical breach by reason of the possession of certain information by one individual at his home, without McLaren's knowledge or authority.
"McLaren is delighted that the World Motor Sport Council determined that this information was not used and accordingly imposed no sanction whatsoever on the team. McLaren looks forward to continuing its fight in what is the most exciting Drivers' and Constructors' World Championship in many years."
Team boss Ron Dennis said that: "There is no doubt that the past 24 days have been challenging and the tremendous support we have received from our sponsor partners and the public has been much appreciated. Moving forward McLaren wants to re-affirm our long-standing commitment to honesty and integrity and re-state that we believe we have acted correctly throughout. Now, we have Formula 1 World Championships to win. As a result we intend to move on, so as to maintain the focus and commitment required to do exactly that."
:lol:The TEAM was found to be in breach of Article 151c, not an individual...
The FIA didn't say this information was NOT used on the McLaren but that there was "insufficient evidence"....
Spin...integrity....
This ruling is the equivalent of someone breaking into your home but not being convicted because they say they had no intention of using anything in your home....
McLaren reacts
McLaren has reacted to the findings of the FIA World Council.
"Following an appearance by McLaren today at the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris, a unanimous decision has been taken by the FIA which in McLaren's opinion is very balanced and fair," the team said. "McLaren accepts the that the FIA World Motor Sport Council had no alternative other than to find that there was a purely technical breach by reason of the possession of certain information by one individual at his home, without McLaren's knowledge or authority.
"McLaren is delighted that the World Motor Sport Council determined that this information was not used and accordingly imposed no sanction whatsoever on the team. McLaren looks forward to continuing its fight in what is the most exciting Drivers' and Constructors' World Championship in many years."
Team boss Ron Dennis said that: "There is no doubt that the past 24 days have been challenging and the tremendous support we have received from our sponsor partners and the public has been much appreciated. Moving forward McLaren wants to re-affirm our long-standing commitment to honesty and integrity and re-state that we believe we have acted correctly throughout. Now, we have Formula 1 World Championships to win. As a result we intend to move on, so as to maintain the focus and commitment required to do exactly that."
:lol:The TEAM was found to be in breach of Article 151c, not an individual...
The FIA didn't say this information was NOT used on the McLaren but that there was "insufficient evidence".... Spin...integrity....
This ruling is the equivalent of someone breaking into your home but not being convicted because they say they had no intention of using anything in your home....
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Originally Posted by dlq04,Jul 26 2007, 10:43 AM
No comments from Doug? Are you there? Are you alright? You didn't have the big one did you?
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I used to dislike McLaren because they ran Mercedes engines, now I have an entirely new reason to hate them. This ruling is complete BS, and Ron sounds like an ass - he is disapointed withe the ruling? WTF?
[QUOTE] Ron Dennis accepts FIA verdict
Thursday, 26, July, 2007, 15:42
McLaren boss Ron Dennis has accepted the FIA's decision not to penalise his team for possessing confidential Ferrari data, even if he was unhappy that the squad was not completely exonerated.
The FIA concluded that while the discovery of Ferrari documents at McLaren designer Mike Coughlan's home meant the team had breached the sporting regulations, it was impossible to prove that the data had been used by McLaren.
Dennis's squad therefore escaped punishment, but was warned that if new evidence came to light suggesting that McLaren had benefited from the information, the team could be excluded from both the 2007 and 2008 world championships.
Speaking to reporters outside the FIA headquarters in Paris, Dennis said the verdict was fair, if not quite as unequivocal as he had hoped.
"[McLaren is] not entirely happy with the outcome of the hearing, but the punishment fits the crime," he said.
The team later issued an official statement acknowledging the reasoning behind the FIA's decision
[QUOTE] Ron Dennis accepts FIA verdict
Thursday, 26, July, 2007, 15:42
McLaren boss Ron Dennis has accepted the FIA's decision not to penalise his team for possessing confidential Ferrari data, even if he was unhappy that the squad was not completely exonerated.
The FIA concluded that while the discovery of Ferrari documents at McLaren designer Mike Coughlan's home meant the team had breached the sporting regulations, it was impossible to prove that the data had been used by McLaren.
Dennis's squad therefore escaped punishment, but was warned that if new evidence came to light suggesting that McLaren had benefited from the information, the team could be excluded from both the 2007 and 2008 world championships.
Speaking to reporters outside the FIA headquarters in Paris, Dennis said the verdict was fair, if not quite as unequivocal as he had hoped.
"[McLaren is] not entirely happy with the outcome of the hearing, but the punishment fits the crime," he said.
The team later issued an official statement acknowledging the reasoning behind the FIA's decision
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A well crafted and thought out reply, if I lived near this guy I would buy him a beer, or a nice warm glass of sake...
Coughlan is a McLaren team member. Not only that, he's a member with rank. So, it's childish to say "only Coughlan had it". McLaren had it. Also, if it's true that Coughlan spoke about this to his colleagues at McLaren, even less to talk about. This has absolutely nothing to do with whether McLaren used the data to improve their cars or not, as Dennis is eloquently trying to manipulate. Having something that's stolen (again, Coughlan was at the time a McLaren employee), and especially knowing that it's there, is more then enough for a conviction. If your friend kills somebody and tells you about it, you're an accessory to murder if you don't call the cops and tell them everything you know rightaway. This is pretty simple case to me that doesn't have anything to do with anything Dennis is saying. THEY had it, because Coughlan had it. End of story.
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Coughlan is a McLaren team member. Not only that, he's a member with rank. So, it's childish to say "only Coughlan had it". McLaren had it. Also, if it's true that Coughlan spoke about this to his colleagues at McLaren, even less to talk about. This has absolutely nothing to do with whether McLaren used the data to improve their cars or not, as Dennis is eloquently trying to manipulate. Having something that's stolen (again, Coughlan was at the time a McLaren employee), and especially knowing that it's there, is more then enough for a conviction. If your friend kills somebody and tells you about it, you're an accessory to murder if you don't call the cops and tell them everything you know rightaway. This is pretty simple case to me that doesn't have anything to do with anything Dennis is saying. THEY had it, because Coughlan had it. End of story.
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And another...
This is industrial espionage pure and simple. These companies invest hundreds of millions of dollars into developing their cars. Coughlan happens to be Mclaren's Chief Designer. They should be punished. What if Coughlan discovered in the dossier something that didn't work on the Ferarri and they had something similar on the McLaren? So he changed it. My point is you don't have to copy something to have used the data in the dossier. He should have had the brains not to accept the dossier when he had the chance. By being found with the goods he and unfortunately the team are guilty in my opinion. The FIA has to send a strong message to curb this sort of thing from happening in the future. It now casts a shadow of doubt on how McLaren has made such improvements over last year's car??
Bill
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This is industrial espionage pure and simple. These companies invest hundreds of millions of dollars into developing their cars. Coughlan happens to be Mclaren's Chief Designer. They should be punished. What if Coughlan discovered in the dossier something that didn't work on the Ferarri and they had something similar on the McLaren? So he changed it. My point is you don't have to copy something to have used the data in the dossier. He should have had the brains not to accept the dossier when he had the chance. By being found with the goods he and unfortunately the team are guilty in my opinion. The FIA has to send a strong message to curb this sort of thing from happening in the future. It now casts a shadow of doubt on how McLaren has made such improvements over last year's car??
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I have to stop reading, these people are making complete sense, too bad the extremely wealthy people on the FIA staff are not this smart...
People are getting distracted by the question of whether McLaren used Ferrari parts on their car - even McLaren have tried to make this the issue. The fact is that they needn't have done this to have used the information to gain an unfair advantage. Simply knowing the limits and capacity of the Ferrari entry is enough to give them an edge. It is already known that McLaren's employee had this info, and that he showed it to other employees - it is going to be hard for Ron Dennis to demonstrate that nobody read it and applied it. As such a punishment is due in my opinion.
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People are getting distracted by the question of whether McLaren used Ferrari parts on their car - even McLaren have tried to make this the issue. The fact is that they needn't have done this to have used the information to gain an unfair advantage. Simply knowing the limits and capacity of the Ferrari entry is enough to give them an edge. It is already known that McLaren's employee had this info, and that he showed it to other employees - it is going to be hard for Ron Dennis to demonstrate that nobody read it and applied it. As such a punishment is due in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Balzz,Jul 26 2007, 02:02 PM
I really can't believe McLaren wasn't penalized...but I finally know what it's like to be a fan of a cheating team that's doing well like the tifosi. Doesn't feel all that bad actually.