FIA Decision
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Originally Posted by Triple-H,Sep 17 2007, 05:02 AM
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"Hi Mike, do you know the Red Car's Weight Distribution? It would be important for us to know so that we could try it in the simulator. Thanks in advance, Pedro," FIA quoted De la Rosa's message to Coughlan as saying.
In another e-mail quoted by FIA, de la Rosa wrote to Alonso about a gaseous substance Ferrari was using to inflate its tires. "We'll have to try it, it's easy," wrote de la Rosa. FIA said Alonso replied: "Let's hope we can test it during this test, and that we can make it a priority!"
In an e-mail, FIA said De la Rosa asked Coughlan about the Ferrari brakes. "Can you explain me as much as you can," he wrote. "Are they adjusting from inside the cockpit?"
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Originally Posted by spiked,Sep 17 2007, 11:17 AM
If these are the exact quotes of the emails sent,then Mclaren deserved everything they got.
Originally Posted by matrix,Sep 14 2007, 09:33 AM
Full FIA statement here.
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Gosh F1_fanz, good on you that you were actually there. I am so impressed. But the rest of us watched an awesome race. Sorry again that your live atmosphere was tainted. Next time stay home and watch TV like us, we had a great time.
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Originally Posted by Triple-H,Sep 17 2007, 10:26 AM
Well here ya go...
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Originally Posted by PeaceLove&S2K,Sep 17 2007, 01:39 PM
Wow, amazing, just amazing. I'd like to know what those two drivers were thinking. FA may still be a great driver, but my respect for him has gone way down.
If yes to above: True, that does put him into a new light, and a light that is not as honorable as Ronnie boy would have us beleive the whole McLaren team is.
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Originally Posted by Penforhire,Sep 17 2007, 12:22 PM
Gosh F1_fanz, good on you that you were actually there. I am so impressed. But the rest of us watched an awesome race. Sorry again that your live atmosphere was tainted. Next time stay home and watch TV like us, we had a great time.
Sorry F1_fanz, I missed that "you were actually there"I know all too well how the media cannot portray just what the crowd is like. I was at the Indy Debacle, and I watched all the race coverage when I got home on tape, and there is NO WAY Speed's coverage showed how ungly the fan base was. I was honestly worried about my health and safety and that level of ugly was not shown by the media.
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People seem to think McLaren is being penalized for receiving the info... Not the case.
They are being penalized for not immediately alerting the FIA. Some would say evidence clearly shows that the info was used to improve their results...
I, too, noticed that Windsor made some comments in Sunday's pre-race show that suggest the penalty is too severe, but he must be bobbing Ron's knob or something because the evidence shows the team quite openly distributed and discussed the data. Had that not happened, I might be inclined to CONSIDER McLaren's innocence... but that's not the way it went down, so too bad.
I might remind everyone that had the tables been turned and it were determined that Ferrari had obtained and circulated secret and illicit McLaren technical specs, not only would the same penalty be justified, but al the Ferrari bashers out there would demand Ferrari's immediate and permanent exclusion from F1. Funny how the shoes fit...
They are being penalized for not immediately alerting the FIA. Some would say evidence clearly shows that the info was used to improve their results...
I, too, noticed that Windsor made some comments in Sunday's pre-race show that suggest the penalty is too severe, but he must be bobbing Ron's knob or something because the evidence shows the team quite openly distributed and discussed the data. Had that not happened, I might be inclined to CONSIDER McLaren's innocence... but that's not the way it went down, so too bad.
I might remind everyone that had the tables been turned and it were determined that Ferrari had obtained and circulated secret and illicit McLaren technical specs, not only would the same penalty be justified, but al the Ferrari bashers out there would demand Ferrari's immediate and permanent exclusion from F1. Funny how the shoes fit...
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Sep 16 2007, 10:50 PM
This sort of thing does happen. However, there is a difference between using your skills and general knowlege for your new employer and using your specific knowlege about the competitor.
The fact that an employee is hired by a competitor does NOT indicate any IP has gone along with the employee. If both the employee and the company are ethical, the employee will not provide proprietary secrets that the employee knows about his former employer.
To say "everybody cheats" usually means that you yourself cheat, and you want to feel better about your guilt.
The fact that an employee is hired by a competitor does NOT indicate any IP has gone along with the employee. If both the employee and the company are ethical, the employee will not provide proprietary secrets that the employee knows about his former employer.
To say "everybody cheats" usually means that you yourself cheat, and you want to feel better about your guilt.
100% There is also a HUGE difference about using information that is in the public domain vs confidential information.
The 780 pages were definitely NOT in the public domain.
Now taking pictures of a car and copying it is ok as it is there for everyone to see. Perfect example of this is the front top wing on the McLaren now being copied by Williams.
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Originally Posted by PeaceLove&S2K,Sep 17 2007, 01:39 PM
FA may still be a great driver, but my respect for him has gone way down.
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