Funny how the tire rule only lasted one year, then it went back....

I don't think they will ever fix the on track passing at the front (because we know it's happening in the middle) until they fix the aero situation...the cars are just get too twitchy after losing down force. The lead car has the advantage in clean air, the car behind can only get close (unless something else happens).

The engine rule did hurt McLaren mainly KR, he would have been WDC if McLaren had any reliability back then.

The real reason MS lost 05 is because he only won the joke of a race called the USGP! And that race was made a joke because of the tire rule.

 

Yea it was a failed pilot program.

Slicks and no more salaries for drivers. Payment by point. When the drivers can't afford to race cigarette boats in monkey suits there will be passing upfront. J/K

The real people that lost there were the fans.

 

Unfortunately too true....and there are more examples.

 

That is one of the funniest things I have ever read.

And ummm, let me guess, the fact that the McCheater drivers clearly had top secret Ferrari data and were able to ponder it and calculate how they could use that information to their advantage, makes the FIA's decision to not take points from them a just and logical ruling?

The tire situation is just like the recent ruling against McLaren team, but not drivers. The primary focus of the FIA is to control the outcome of the results so as to increase their ratings and pocketbooks.

You may never agree with my point of view, but guess what, I

 

But I totally agree with ya on that one. I was there, I was in shock and denial for a very long time as I sat in my seat watching 6 cars doing what looked like parade laps...

 

Wait, so the FIA is supposed to penalize Ferrari because NS leaked secret info?

The movable floor issue? Really? Remember the Renault active damper situation? Pretty clear to me that there were winning a lot of races before the FIA stepped in and then, all of a sudden, when active dampers were pulled out, they didn't win so much... was Renault branded as cheaters or being favored by FIA? No. Of course not. It's not Renault's fault that it took FIA time to figure out the true impact of dampers, just as it's not Ferrari's fault re: floors. And FIA acted upon Ferrari much more quickly, BTW.

But you know what, whatever. Ferrari should be punished for painting their cars red. All other teams should be allowed to use any means necessary, no matter how despicable, to compete with Big Red.

There, is everyone happy now?

I used to really like the McLaren team, BTW, but calling it merely 'suspicion' is giving them a pass. Like I said before, let's nullify the verdict, remove the penalties and ensure that McLaren's 2008 tech specs go to Maranello in the early part of next season so that the info can be "not used" and this will all be Even Stephen.

I bet everything I own that McLaren would rather lose $100M and a constructors championship (while retaining tainted driver's points in 2007) then go this route...

 

It's my understanding that the constructor's points are more important to the team than the individual driver's points.

 

It would be very interesting to see what would come out of the wash if a competitor could scrutinize everything about McLaren's car wouldn't it? I bet RD would not be too willing for something like this to happen...

 

I forgot that debating with Ferrari fans always ends in a grandiose scheme to hurt Ferrari. So in your mind the 05 tire rule and the McEspionage scandal have a direct correlation together? Cause that the way its coming off.

And for the record I do think the Drivers got off light in the whole scheme of things. But since McLaren is responsible for the actions of there employees shouldn't Ferrari be too?

 

Yes Ferrari should be penalized for NS's actions. He was an employee of Ferrari and they are responsible for his actions.

You want to get in to wild speculation then how do we know NS didn't take a fall for the team and took a big payment to "pass over" tech info to McLaren. Ferrari is desperate to win since they've lost it two years in a row and NS himself said he was looking for a change of pass in life. Sounds plausible to me.

The Renault situation is way different then the Ferrari movable floor situation. And its convenient of you to make up a new name for what Renault was using to group them all together.

Renault suspension had harmonic tuned mass dampers, they remove resonant frequency oscillations in the suspension. Ferrari on the other hand had a floor that moved. One clearly moves through the airstream and the other is tucked away in the nosecone of the car yet both are deamed Active Aero.