Punishing the victim of espionage: that's a novel suggestion.

Next, I suppose, we'll fine the victims of burglary. (It makes some economic sense: they're usually easier to locate than the culprits; less expense involved in tracking them down.)

 

I'm not convinced that they were victims. Two me it looks like it was a two way street between MC and NS.

 

Dude, I'm not saying suspension and aero are related. I'm not retarded. The point is that Renault did something ultimately deemed to be outside the rules. It took FIA a while to figure it out and make a call. Same thing applied for the floor, IMHO. Once FIA deemed it be truly active aero, they sanctioned against it, no?

As far as penalties to Ferrari for NS.. at least they had the stones to fire the guy. Personally, I believe neither manufacturer provided overt support for the actions taken by either douche. Rather, I believe NS and MC were pooling info to become a marketable tag-team for an up and coming team like, say, Honda.

Please also note I am not a "Ferrari Fan"... I like Kimi, I like Hamilton... I like Honda.

As much as folks like to cook up grand conspiracy theories which would blame Ferrari rather than McLaren for this cluster, it just blows me away that people are so blindly anti-Ferrari that they would essentially suggest that McLaren did nothing wrong whereas Ferrari did. Crazy to me.

As I've said before if this scenario had been exactly reversed, all these Ferrari-haters would be crying for the permanent ban of the prancing horse team from F1.

Like I said, whatever! Turn the tables and let Ferrari have some secret docs which they will "not use' without penalty. Let the Ferrari drivers review and discuss the strategies which McLaren will use in 2008 to manage tires, aero, etc.

Fair is fair, right?

No, I didn't think so.

(Also, hilarious to me that people would suggest the Michelin tire debacle at the USGP is also somehow Ferrari's doing.)

 

So if they are both pooling resources isn't the only logical conclusion that Ferrari would have been in the wrong too. Good for Ferrari tho for keeping a lid on their side of the scandal.

For the record I'm a Massa fan and a Honda Fan. I just cant get behind Ferrari as a team.

 

"always ends in a grandiose scheme to hurt Ferrari."
Come on, give me a break...

What I'm saying is more about the FIA than Ferrari or McLaren. Yes in my mind those two situations relate to each other, because they show the FIA has a history of making wacky decisions, and because it is often hard to find the logic in them, I naturally start to ponder what is really going on. I can't just take them at face value.

I honestly don't see NS and MC or Ferrari and McLaren in the same light. RB has come out and said NS was a problem employee who was not happy with his job change being assigned to the factory and not going to races. Once Ferrari discovered the theft, they fired him. When McLaren discovered the possession of stolen data what did they do, they suspended MC and then, allowed their employees to continue a dialogue with him. I see the actions Ferrari took as compared to the actions McLaren took in a totally different light. Ferrari was responsible for NS and acted accordingly, McLaren on the other hand simply turned their head in the other direction allowing by default for all sorts of corporate espionage to go on. I think Ferrari did the best they could, they had no involvement in the theft, McLaren on the other hand had all sorts of involvement in using stolen data, I honestly do not see how those two teams can be looked upon in the same light.

 

Interesting, but flawed, logic.

Here's the difference according to the facts of the case:

1. A Ferrari employee did something wrong. There is no proof that Ferrari knew about this before the info surfaced on the McLaren end of the scandal.

2. A McLaren employee did something wrong. There is abundant proof that many members of the team knew about the ill-gotten info before it was reported to FIA or anyone else.

How can the two teams possibly be judged equally for completely differing (and proven) TEAM roles in the matter?

 

^ Hey not fair, you said the same thing I did, but only in fewer words...

 

You both raise interesting points, but in the end I just cant fathom Ferrari keeping there nose clean in this whole mess.

Even tho NS's story is full of holes it's suspicious to me that his side of the story is being suppressed by the Media. Plus you would think the FIA would be interested in hearing his opinion as well since he is the epicenter of this whole mess.

 

An opinion you are clearly entitled to....







Ferrari wins 2007 Manufacturer's Championship!
McCheaters have the last little garage at the end of the row for all of 2008

 

I didn't even consider that. They'll be bunkmates with Toro Rosso. LOL