2012 GTR
Originally Posted by sparrow,May 19 2010, 05:50 AM
I like the car as much as you (Aside from the price) but c'mon bruh. 50K for brakes... BRAKES... They must come from Mark Webbers ride.
If they want to double the price of the car fine so be it but don't tell me the brakes really cost 50k. You're not slowing down an airbus a380.
Originally Posted by sahtt,May 19 2010, 03:01 PM
What it's worth is dictated by supply and demand, not your taste. To argue it's not "worth" a certain price knowing Nissan will probably sell all of them effortlessly is illogical. Honda sold all GT NSX's at somewhere in the neighborhood of 500k$ each with almost no functional difference versus the arguably already over priced 80$k NSX of the time. Ducati is selling a 200k motorcycle. Lamborghini puts a body kit on an LP and charges 200k more. If the market clears, that's what it's worth (at least until they try to re sell it).
Originally Posted by Fanman,May 18 2010, 09:45 PM
Idiot.
Who cares if it is a special, track focused edition. Is any car worth 2X their MSRP because 132 lbs, no engine upgrades. The GT3 is about $30K more expensive than a regular Carrera S, but offers less weight, MORE hp. The GT2 is $50K more than a turbo, adds MORE hp, less weight. A Scuderia adds $100K but gives much less weight, & MORE hp. Getting a clue. This model even makes the premium for a GT3 seem reasonable.
As a track focused model for the rich enthusiast that you claim, great, but this car will never have universal appeal. Limited run is great, as I said it would not sell many even if they made it generally available.
MSRP for the car is widely speculated at $150K-$160K, roughly twice the cose of a standard GT-R.
Who cares if it is a special, track focused edition. Is any car worth 2X their MSRP because 132 lbs, no engine upgrades. The GT3 is about $30K more expensive than a regular Carrera S, but offers less weight, MORE hp. The GT2 is $50K more than a turbo, adds MORE hp, less weight. A Scuderia adds $100K but gives much less weight, & MORE hp. Getting a clue. This model even makes the premium for a GT3 seem reasonable.
As a track focused model for the rich enthusiast that you claim, great, but this car will never have universal appeal. Limited run is great, as I said it would not sell many even if they made it generally available.
MSRP for the car is widely speculated at $150K-$160K, roughly twice the cose of a standard GT-R.
Let me try one last time:
THE SPEC V ISN'T $160K JUST BECAUSE OF THE WEIGHTLOSS!!! HESUS!!! Its total upgrades cost well over $70K, including the said brake system. They didn't add much more power but they integrated a turbo boost system for a quick burst. Nissan did its research and felt its potential CUSTOMERS IN JAPAN, i.e. RICH JAPANESE ENTHUSIASTS, did not require additional power over the regular GT-R, so instead, Nissan opted to take its handling and braking to an unbelievable level - a level that beats 99.999% of street-legal production cars. Beyond that, the rich Japanese enthusiasts would buy this for collectibility purpose as well; some may track the car once in a while.
If you still don't understand the above, then you don't deserve to be a homo sapien, but a primate.
Again, Nissan is catering its special Spec V to its rich Japanese enthusiasts, not you power-hungry American (singular, to refer to Fanman) who ONLY sees power increase and NOTHING else. What about the $70K in non-power upgrades? Don't they count for anything? Even without much power increase, the Spec V would demolish 99.99% of street-legal production cars on a roadcourse.
Originally Posted by rockville,May 19 2010, 04:52 AM
As far as I can tell you are a Japanese car fanboi w
My anti-Japanese reference had nothing to do with the GT-R, but from years of observation of your and others' comments and attitudes.
Sake, the argument with that anti-Japanese dolt stops right here!!! /discussion.
P.S. If you wanna see real "fanboism", go to Mustang and Camaro forums. They are a million times more extreme than I. They call Japanese autos via racist names and like ONLY American autos, whereas I also like German, British, Italian, and some American autos; moreover, I don't call American autos with racist names. So, besides the fact of being Nippon, I'm on a Japanese auto site, so my fondness (or fanboi as you call it) for Nippon autos isn't the most unthinkable.
I think people have a problem - at least I do - with the brakes price being quoted at $50K [of the price difference], when the CCB option on cars like a Gallardo Super L or F430 are $16K, and the ZR-1 Brembo sourced CCBs (15.5"/15" monsters) are about $12K over-the-counter (~$9K street price).
Even Porsche only charges ~$9K for the [P]CCB and even with the ridiculous replacement costs you could swap out rotors for ~$16K (I realize there a subsidizing of sorts for options).
It's like Nissan came up with a price, then reverse engineered it using the brakes as the major cost difference. I would rather have seen them say X amount for performance updates, and $30K limited availability surcharge vs. trying to itemize the cost (it makes it kind of silly).
I mean for that matter I kind of have an issue with the "regular" GT-R brake prices, but at least the cheaper options have been clarified by parker (an actual owner). I still have a GT-R on the radar so that kind of maintenance cost is a factor.
Even Porsche only charges ~$9K for the [P]CCB and even with the ridiculous replacement costs you could swap out rotors for ~$16K (I realize there a subsidizing of sorts for options).
It's like Nissan came up with a price, then reverse engineered it using the brakes as the major cost difference. I would rather have seen them say X amount for performance updates, and $30K limited availability surcharge vs. trying to itemize the cost (it makes it kind of silly).
I mean for that matter I kind of have an issue with the "regular" GT-R brake prices, but at least the cheaper options have been clarified by parker (an actual owner). I still have a GT-R on the radar so that kind of maintenance cost is a factor.
Originally Posted by [DT
,May 19 2010, 02:23 PM] I think people have a problem - at least I do - with the brakes price being quoted at $50K [of the price difference], when the CCB option on cars like a Gallardo Super L or F430 are $16K, and the ZR-1 Brembo sourced CCBs (15.5"/15" monsters) are about $12K over-the-counter (~$9K street price).

"This is a car tailored to those drivers who really enjoy fast driving and like to push a car to its limits on a track. That's why we strived to build it with the best brakes in the world."


