2013 E92 M3 w/ Dual Clutch - not that much fun of a car! no love.
03-15-2014, 07:41 AM
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Probably people like me who daily drive their car in heavy stop-n-go traffic but still want to have fun on back roads when the opportunity presents itself. The deal killer for me with the M would be the fixed roof rather than the transmission. Well, that and the fact that the car weighs 3,700 lbs while the engine only produces 295 lb ft of torque @ a relatively high 3,900 rpm. I like being able to drop the roof. I like being able to let the gearbox shift for itself when crawling for two hours in traffic. I like being able to take control on twisty back roads. And I like a 400 lb ft torque peak with 90%+ of that available at 2,000 rpm. With that said, the M scores points with a back seat and more usable trunk space than a typical drop top car. The typical M buyer is maybe someone looking for an all-around solution that is still fun and can handle a wide range of traffic conditions.
03-15-2014, 11:22 AM
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03-15-2014, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SpudRacer' timestamp='1394898098' post='23064176
The deal killer for me with the M would be the fixed roof rather than the transmission.
03-16-2014, 02:51 AM
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I think it's probably just the SMG that makes it boring for you. Try one with a manual and you'll probably feel differently.
I'm starting to decide that high performance envelope doesn't necessarily equal fun though. Fun is being able to drive a car near it's limits. Modern performance cars performance capabilities are too high to ever approach the limit safely on the street. I think the cliche is that "It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than it is to drive a fast car slow."
...The current M3 weighs a little more than my 2001 F-150 did (no joke, look it up)...
I'm starting to decide that high performance envelope doesn't necessarily equal fun though. Fun is being able to drive a car near it's limits. Modern performance cars performance capabilities are too high to ever approach the limit safely on the street. I think the cliche is that "It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than it is to drive a fast car slow."
...The current M3 weighs a little more than my 2001 F-150 did (no joke, look it up)...
That cliche about slow cars is said alot by folks who drive slow cars. It's BS. It can be fun to drive a slow car fast, but it's far more fun and a hell of a lot safer to drive a car engineered to much higher limits at the same speed, knowing that the room between the current course and disaster leaves huge room for fun. It's just ignorant to assert that a car that is easily over-driven is safer than a car that has limits far higher than any encountered on public roads on dry pavement.
BTW, a 2001 F150 has half a ton on an M3. You should look it up yourself
03-16-2014, 02:58 PM
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Good looking all stock ride. I think I personally would lover the car if it were a stick shift.... no clue how anyone could possibly enjoy any of the paddle shifting cars (GTR,458, gt3, Porsche 911 turbo s, etc.......).
I think I will stick with my Dodge...
03-16-2014, 03:48 PM
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i don't blame just the transmission. The m3 was never that much fun for me in both 6 spd & dct version. The GTR, 458, turbo s; etc are tons of fun even with automatic. In manual they'd be even better though.
03-24-2014, 05:20 AM
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03-24-2014, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by CosmosMpower' timestamp='1395060155' post='23066235
M3 needs a loud exhaust and a tune and it's a lot of fun. Driving my friend's M3 with full exhaust, tune, intake it feels almost as fast as my GT-R and it's a blast.
I've had a couple people see my M3/4/5 and say they miss a manual shifter just b/c it was more engaging. I'm still not sure I can buy an automatic car. maybe lease lol
I'm still hoping the DSG 2015/16 Golf R is all that and a bag of chips. I really want my Girlfriend to start doing AutoX and I think having an Auto/SMG is the perfect way for her to get into it with out destroying my clutch and trans!