2013 E92 M3 w/ Dual Clutch - not that much fun of a car! no love.
03-31-2014, 08:43 AM
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Have you guys driven the 6sp M3? It's disgusting! The clutch pedal is soft & the shifter feels like I'm strangling a rubber chicken's neck. While the DCT isn't for everyone (I particularly like it), I can't see anyone enjoying a modern BMW manual shifter/trans. Now I just wish the DCT (or any other dual clutch car) wouldn't freak out when there was some overlap between gas & brake while LFB'ing.
03-31-2014, 10:24 AM
#52
Originally Posted by SpudRacer' timestamp='1395767940' post='23080440
No it's not. The S2000 is a 5.5 - 6.0 sec 0-60 car. That's family sedan territory these days. And the chassis is a 15 year old design at this point. Again, a FWD Ford Focus ST can outrun it. I suppose if you're coming from a Corolla the S2000 may seem fast. The S2000 just feels fast because it's small, light(ish), and noisy as hell with the top up or down.
For me the appeal of the S2000 was never speed. It was a fun little car that was very reliable and very well put together. It was cheap to own. It was hard to get into trouble with 163 lb/ft of peak torque. It was a great little back road toy for a few years. But fast.....nah, fast isn't one of the accomplishments on the S2000's resume'.
For me the appeal of the S2000 was never speed. It was a fun little car that was very reliable and very well put together. It was cheap to own. It was hard to get into trouble with 163 lb/ft of peak torque. It was a great little back road toy for a few years. But fast.....nah, fast isn't one of the accomplishments on the S2000's resume'.
I think the reason you don't think it's fast might be because you've never been to the track with it. I feel plenty fast around 110-115mph or pulling over a g in a turn. Most sedans are not 5.5s, just a select group, whom you can regularly pass on the track.
Quoting 0-60 and 1/4 mile times doesn't sum up a car, things like brakes and suspension matter too. A lot of the bigger motor domestics favor those stats and put on tinny brakes. A v8 that cannot stop is not fun.
Why harp on the 15 year old design? Chassis and tranny still are the benchmark, and motor only topped by Ferrari. If I went back not to far I could name a few Ferrari's I didn't like.
Pushing a car to 3/10ths isn't fun to me, but to some people that's fun."Fast" is also relative. Getting to 60mph or 1/4 mile a second or two quicker is boring for me, and doesn't make a car "fast." I had no problem passing e46 M3's on the track w/ my piddly <200lb ft of torque.
Now I'm not saying my car is "fast," but I wouldn't call it slow either. The s2k does not make a great daily driver, no arguments there. A chassis's age is largely meaningless. Sounds like typical bench racing nonsense. Unfortunately the problem I see with a lot of "enthusiast" vehicles these days is they're all about the stats/numbers, the actual feel and such of things is lost to the bench racers who just look at numbers to rate a car. I'm sure these folks are perplexed by the FRS/BRZ..
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