how does a new M3 stack up?
Fast!
Nice!
Do you realize we spend thousands and thousands of dollars to "beat" the virtual opponents that may or may not line up at the stoplight?
Maybe there should be speed cameras all over the place. It'd save all of us money and we could duke it out on the track instead of mag racing...
I like the recent car mag comparo that noted: "The current Camry is faster than the Ferrari Testerossa."
We don't "need" faster cars. Everything is relative.
Nice!
Do you realize we spend thousands and thousands of dollars to "beat" the virtual opponents that may or may not line up at the stoplight?
Maybe there should be speed cameras all over the place. It'd save all of us money and we could duke it out on the track instead of mag racing...
I like the recent car mag comparo that noted: "The current Camry is faster than the Ferrari Testerossa."
We don't "need" faster cars. Everything is relative.
Originally Posted by mzk784,Dec 11 2007, 10:06 PM
by looking at these numbers, 0-60 doesn't make sense anymore these days.
0-60 is meaningless under ~6 seconds. Because at that point tenths of a second can be a big differences on a track, or totally negated. Traction becomes the limiting factor, not power. Let's stop pretending we don't break the law occasionally, and just use 0-100 to get some noticeable difference between cars once 0-60 gets down to 6 seconds. Traction will still be a factor, but less so.
And the very reason 0-60 was ever a metric is because that indicates merging ability from a freeway on-ramp. Who seriously believes a GT500 is going to have a hard time merging, so they should buy an M3? No car that can hit 60 mph in 6 seconds is going to have a hard time getting up to speed by the end of the ramp, so the metric loses it's value except as trivia.
And the very reason 0-60 was ever a metric is because that indicates merging ability from a freeway on-ramp. Who seriously believes a GT500 is going to have a hard time merging, so they should buy an M3? No car that can hit 60 mph in 6 seconds is going to have a hard time getting up to speed by the end of the ramp, so the metric loses it's value except as trivia.
0-60 is lame
0-anything is kind of lame as I don't care about drag racing and that is still a function of traction a lot more then even a slow roll. I like 30-150..they should just use that from now on. That would let me know just how much faster cars are going to be on the straights, on track, then mine.
0-anything is kind of lame as I don't care about drag racing and that is still a function of traction a lot more then even a slow roll. I like 30-150..they should just use that from now on. That would let me know just how much faster cars are going to be on the straights, on track, then mine.
Originally Posted by s2kpdx01,Dec 12 2007, 02:13 AM
0-60 is lame
0-anything is kind of lame as I don't care about drag racing and that is still a function of traction a lot more then even a slow roll. I like 30-150..they should just use that from now on. That would let me know just how much faster cars are going to be on the straights, on track, then mine.
0-anything is kind of lame as I don't care about drag racing and that is still a function of traction a lot more then even a slow roll. I like 30-150..they should just use that from now on. That would let me know just how much faster cars are going to be on the straights, on track, then mine.
100%... 1/4 mile trap speed works for me as well
Originally Posted by rai,Dec 11 2007, 09:09 PM
let me tell you that M6 can run (I think they under-rate it) here is the 0-150 time for the M6 (from C&D) 19.5 sec.
Here is the 0-150 times for
500hp Mustang 30.3 sec
400hp Corvette 26.8 sec
M3 24.3 sec
LT3 C6 Z51 23.5 sec
In other words the M6 (at least this one tested) can get to 150 mph 5 seconds quicker than the M3.
It looks like the (stock) M3 will keep up with a C6 436hp 428-TQ (at least while the C6 is stock as well)
Here is the 0-150 times for
500hp Mustang 30.3 sec
400hp Corvette 26.8 sec
M3 24.3 sec
LT3 C6 Z51 23.5 sec
In other words the M6 (at least this one tested) can get to 150 mph 5 seconds quicker than the M3.
It looks like the (stock) M3 will keep up with a C6 436hp 428-TQ (at least while the C6 is stock as well)
Originally Posted by Iceman1,Dec 12 2007, 12:14 AM
outside of the launch, an M6 will run with a 997 TT up top...
That probably does not show up in the 0-100 mph when these cars are just in 3rd buy by 150 maybe you are getting into the gas saving OD ratios with some cars.
I will say these numbers are just one small piece of the pie. For example as noted the R8 is slowish by these standards. I mean OK it's never quicker than a $40K Vette, but it shouldn't be since it's power (less) and weight (more).
But then we look at (for an example) EVO magazine has track times:
Gallardo SL 1:21
R8 1:22
997 GT3 1:23
M6 1:24
I don't want that to mean the R8 is always quicker than a GT3 and who knows the driver or the conditions could have been different, but just to point out that track times can be all over the map but (it would seem) acceleration is fairly easy to reproduce.
What I mean as an absurd example, lets say I could get in a Veyron and snap off 0-100 in 6 sec (just step on the gas). But if I got in a race car and a top driver got in the same car he could be several seconds faster than me with no difference in the car just the driver.
But then we look at (for an example) EVO magazine has track times:
Gallardo SL 1:21
R8 1:22
997 GT3 1:23
M6 1:24
I don't want that to mean the R8 is always quicker than a GT3 and who knows the driver or the conditions could have been different, but just to point out that track times can be all over the map but (it would seem) acceleration is fairly easy to reproduce.
What I mean as an absurd example, lets say I could get in a Veyron and snap off 0-100 in 6 sec (just step on the gas). But if I got in a race car and a top driver got in the same car he could be several seconds faster than me with no difference in the car just the driver.



