No offense but reading that I don't see you as a true car enthusiast. It's not about proving things. I just like cars I could meet a bloke in the pub and if he started telling me about his 2.0 16v Nova conversion I'd still take an interest. Not because I like or particularly respect Nova's (I think they are sh*t) but I like to learn about cars and what they can do and I have no prejudices against an owners car choice.

IMHO the real moron's of the road are the guys that post up 'ROTFL, was crusing in my M3 when some chav in a scooby tried it on!' - get a life I say. For all he knows that 'chav' uses that scooby for trackdays and hillclimbs and has a 911 Turbo as his work hack.

I have nothing to prove. EVER. I'm happy with my car, I like it. I like Ferrari's too and see no reason why I should feel guilty about trying to pace one. I'd argue a Ferrari owner with that attitude has a personality disorder If he doesn't want to play then he can easily stop driving fast and I'll let him get on with it In fact, when I played with the F430 this is exactly what happened as he lifted at about 110 (I was at 90ish) and I lifted and gave him the thumbs up. I didn't drive up his backside or go screaming past or do anything aggressive I just accepted he'd had enough

 

but most of the time, people in lesser machinery are not amiable

they are pricks or nasty pieces of work who have a quite different agenda - ie 'beat' you in some way, whether that be overtaking you on a blind bend or cutting you up on a roundabout

I don't buy performance cars for other people to enjoy

looking is fine, especially in something like a Ferrari, but unless I have a dialogue with someone, such as Mark describes, then I'm not interested

oh, and I don't think S2000 owners have a superiority complex, except when they are being hassled by someone in a clearly inferior pos

there are all sorts of problems with playing with people in inferior machinery, not least that they are likely to find their car's (or their own) limits much sooner than you

little to do with bottle, just the simple fact that a performance car can go round a given corner, say, 25% faster than a cooking saloon

 

What mods does your S2000 have?
Jesus, your S must be well modded to "pull away like fvckery", or "pull on him like you'd stuck the nitrous on", because in a straight line the S is only very slightly quicker 0-60 and 0-100 than the Beemer.

You probably find he wasnt trying, figured you'd made your mind up about him already based on the make of car he drives, given S2000 drivers are such holier than thou people, they pass detrimental judgement on every other car they come accross.

I find it strange in a straight line, a car with similar performance figures, and good power and torque, got left behind so easily, and I cant see how it was possible unless the driver wasnt giving it everything.

My S2000 didnt have anything wrong with it, and I know id be hard pressed to pull on a 330i "like i'd stuck the nitrous on", so im guessing yours is modified?

 

Maybe its a regional thing but that's not my experience. I've had plenty of Saxo, Clio et al drivers take me on and the majority have been nothing other than respectful and friendly (keeping a safe distance too). Most have popped their hazards on or hung a thumbs up out the window. There are the odd few that are like you describe but around my neck of the woods they are the exception.

In the case of this thread I dont think being hassled by inferior machinary is appropriate. If we are honest I think we can argue the BMW marque is more prestigious than Honda and the top non-M model being the 330i is higher in the pecking order than an S2000 too (IMHO).

 

probably

 

I agree. I'd heard comments about this forum before I joined, but didn't notice for a while.

There IS among some members here an unnecessary level of arrogance. Most of it is anti-German hostility. But there's a degree of what you suggest - "the S2000 is better than anything else". Which plainly it isn't. It's very good all-round, but not perfect.

Sadly middles, it's not just this forum, it's most single-make fora. Everyone on the forum has an S2000 / CTR / Scooby / ... because it's the car they want. Criticising ANY aspect of it is effectively criticising their judgement / their life.

Sad, but true.

Have a read of this thread for another example:-
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showt...5&#entry8562959

 

Given the initial post was about a BMW 330, one of the best all-round affordable cars there is, I doubt you're right.


Not if the driver is crap. And not if the performance car is 'edgy'.

I can go round a corner faster in my diesel Focus than Mrs Havoc can go around a corner in the S2000. Does that make the diesel Focus better? No. Does that make me a better driver than Mrs Havoc? No, except in the one area that I understand handling better and am prepared to push a car further than she is...the second half of which is not always a good idea.

 

Depends if you care about pecking orders

Personally I'm quite looking forward to seeing how my z4 3.0i stacks up to an S2k, should be a very close match on paper, win or lose no-one is the lesser man.

Sure if someone is tailing you, overtakes on a blind bend, acts stupid in a built up area, they = ass holes.

The other day a mk4 golf gti lined up with me on a good straight bit of road and whooshed his dump valve at me a bit, I gave it a go, got beaten, then we both pootled down to the speed limit when it came up and strolled home.

I don't give a rats about the BMW badge, it just felt like the better car for my needs after driving em both. In fact if it was purely down to the badge 'image' I'd rather be driving the S2k as the 'BMW effect' isn't something anyone likes being tarred with.

The remark about superiority complex is purely down to threads on this forum, I looked at a lot of cars before I bought, and lurked on a lot of forums. S2ki is an exception in that it has a very high number of 'blah blah raced me in a volvo/bmw/audi/mondeo and lost, what a prick'. Other similar marque/model owner's clubs are focused on their own marque/model, not putting down anyone who's 'arrogant' enough to drive something else. Of course it may not be a massive number, but incidences that do occur stick in the memory.

Just an observation though, sure most people on here are lovely, just seems there are a few people who are just as hung on badge and image as the BMW/Audi driving morons they profess to loathe.

 

the initial post was about a 330 and they're not bad cars at all, certainly not a pos

BUT, in most increments they are slower than an S2000, and the driver ought to know that or have learned it by the third race

it just gets a bit tiresome, whether you do the grown up thing and back off, or not



your wife needs to learn to drive

look, all I'm saying is that if I (an average driver I suppose), take a corner in my beemer at 8/10ths or similar, something like your Focus is going to be very close to the limit if attempting to follow me closely at the same speed

I exploited this in a my S once (having learned of the trick from MarkB on here) by luring a tailgating X-type into nearly understeering into a bridge on a hairpin

I should say that I do assume that there isn't much between most drivers in terms of ability

And I do believe that 90% of the sticking to the road is provided by the manufacturer

 

Answer this then

What about the recent posts praising:

911s
Moggy's M5
Audi A8s
GSi's kit car
350Zs
Monaros
Elises
Caterhams



Hardly evidence of an S2000 superiority complex?

Unless you mean the derision concerning cars like:

hatchback TDis
cooking A3s
kids in Novas and Saxos
Chavaliers

In which case, I agree with you